Helping Digg Split

[Arminius]

This is basically to reassure them that the Digg-splinters are protected and won't we torn to bits when they split off. I suggested/offered that we would pact with them for protection; if we did agree to that it would speed up the process--they will go ahead as soon as we get back to them with a positive reply.

[Null]

If the splits are legit, I'm all for it. I think its the least we could do to help assuage their fears that they'd become targets for the server. In time, as they distance themselves from the old Digg name, and what it means to people on this server, people will move on to other things, and they'll likely only garner attention they bring on themselves at that point.

[Arminius]

I told him the current result; he'll start setting things up, ready for the go-ahead when I tell him the final result.

[Gornall]

I can't see any of us objecting helping them split.

[eproxy]

arminius said:

I told him the current result; he'll start setting things up, ready for the go-ahead when I tell him the final result.

I presume you mean Phil299? He seemed pretty keen on the idea of splitting once we mentioned possibly pacting with the split-off(s?) (and the implications that would have for Pantheon too). For those who don't know, which will be most of you, this is one of the mails I sent phil299 regarding splitting-down:

phil299
7 hours ago
RE: to phil
I don't think its so much a case of you MUST split into OUR spreadsheet but since it's already made you could use it as a guideline - and it would no doubt be very helpful (as well as faster). Although being honest even if Digg did devise their own split-down structure it would probably be very similar.

The file is currently hosted on YouSendIt at this TinyUrl;

tinyurl.com/2jg4vy

Just click on the orange download button once the page loads up (for the digg.xls (156 KB) file which should be the only one listed). If for some reason it doesn't work I can no doubt just get it hosted somewhere more permanently.

The spreadsheet only sorts members above 10k score (which account for 84.7% of Diggs total score). The other ~350 members below 10k score would have to be sorted by yourselves but I'm presuming that shouldn't be too hard considering that they're usually only based in a single alliance.

phil299 wrote:
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please confirm that the offer is based on us splitting into your spreadsheet.

I really ought to start using restructuring rather than 'split-up' since it doesn't sound as negative. The spreadsheet is just something I spent about an hour coming up with yesterday. With some luck we'll be seeing all this in use sooner rather than later - I'm not sure I'll hold my breath on that quite yet though.

[Arminius]

Yes, sorry, I meant Phil.

[Null]

you know...it'd be a lot better for the rest of us if Digg DIDN'T split based on ocean location. They'll be strong concentrations in whatever ocean you tried to fight them in, instead of more spread out like most alliances. Similar to E|M. heh, not saying we'll be fighting them anytime soon, just an observation for the future....

[Arminius]

OK, I think 12:0 with 1 abstain is clear enough to close this poll.

[Natmus]

Dang, I just submitted a 'No' vote

[Arminius]

12:2 is still overwhelming, you warmonger!

[digital]

13:2 is even worse

[Arminius]

Just out of interest, why the 'no' votes? I can only assume that there would be no interest in Digg splitting, and any fighting would purely be to annihilate them?

[Natmus]

That's right. I think that they recently have become so arrogant, and so condescending towards us, that I consider them scum that were nice towards us when they had use for us, but now they don't need us and consequently treat us as dirt.
I can't stand that kind of people, and strongly resent them these days.

[Warliter]

IMO DIGG splitting is just a PR exercise. They can tell us they won't use the same tools/database/forum., but we have no way of being sure until the next war involving a DIGG faction.

I agree also with Natmus that they have become very arrogant and told us what we wanted to hear, first to stand by them against the aggression of E|S, then to stay out of the Pantheon war.

When we went to war with ORC (1st Time) they piped up with a leave them alone or else statement, siding with a non-pacted alliance over a pacted one.

The fact we would have wiped the floor with ORC is irrelevant. Then they took in runners and told us hands off.

'This is friends with us when it suits them'

I don't want to see DIGG annihilated, but I have very little desire to be 'friends' again.

Equally if Pantheon attacked these alliances that split off then I would equally want to drop any association with them also

[Arminius]

Meatpopsicle
12 minutes ago
NAPS
New alliance created. We'll start transitioning in some DIGGlets and small DIGGers soon.

I've listed DIGG and Morkin as Pacts.

and

phil299
3 minutes ago
RE: RE: RE: Digglets Pact Vote
We have decided to move away from the digg tag to show independence.
So the new alliance will be called NAPS.
It should exist in the next hour or so ....meat is creating it so expect him to igm you when it is formed.
migration over to this new alliance will start in earnest tomorrow, but the group that is going... has been over seen by our member merbear(who will be an admin of this alliance with meat)..and merbear believes that full membership won't be reached till monday...due to a fair number of players being away (holidays or major RL issues).... thus keeping them from logging on a daily basis.
I am under a fair amount of pressure myself in terms of RL so I intend to come back to our discussions again on friday when the effectiveness of the migration will be viewable and I have had replies from a number of key diggers concerning the next move.
I am sure that from your perspective this may appear as foot dragging but you are going to have to accept that I am not a dictator and can not 'tell' diggers what to do...this has to be handled carefully.
Once this phase one is over it is likely that I will have to resign as digg admin...the fall out is likely to be huge...
Still we will see.
phil