Sol
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Post by Sol on Oct 30, 2007 15:38:44 GMT
I am unsure if it will make a difference. But if you guys need a push, I'm going to take a stab at it with my warmongering initiative. Feel free to shut me up. Deadline: Tomorrow Morning...too early? suck it up. Time is always against us. DISCUSS My proposition: A new alliance is created. Name: [VK] = VikingKittens Peaceful players in Morkin/luxor can stay behind to preserve the tag. Any member from Morkin&Family/other alliances may join. I know there are other people that are considering joining the cause. Create another section in this forum if other alliance players are joining? VK creates a pact with Pantheon. Pantheon calls VK VK fights Best luck to the kittens.
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Clausewitz
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Post by Clausewitz on Oct 30, 2007 15:49:08 GMT
No disrespect for putting a position out there, and definitely not trying to further delay our course of action...
But in my book, we fight together, or we rebuild together. Such is our bond.
I made the mistake of acting out of immense frustration and lashing out on my own, and if anything, it should simply highlight that such a lack of teamplay is detrimental to everyone.
It would be quite difficult to watch some of our friends charge into the fire (likely to get pounded), and have to make the decision whether one should stay behind to shepherd the weak, or if they should join their friends in what is in all likelihood a final valliant stand.
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Aesir
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Post by Aesir on Oct 30, 2007 15:57:30 GMT
I suppose I'd have to say that going to war unprepared based on whatever deadline is a moot point.
A lot of us are spread thin from orc and rahein. If we can't enter and be effective, whats the point of entering. The more I think and read about this, the more it seems like a suicide mission at this point in time. I don't think leaving behind a peaceful alliance to rebuild or keep the name or whatever is a good route to go here. Like Ryan said, we fight together or we rebuild together.
As of now it seems as though we need to strengthen our new holdings and rebuild fleets before moving back into a truly large scale offensive is a viable option.
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Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Oct 30, 2007 16:02:28 GMT
If we go it can be more about the morals than actual fighting.
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Pose
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Post by Pose on Oct 30, 2007 16:18:51 GMT
...Im gonna start calling you Dogtnayon( my spelling is shocking!) One for all and all for one......
I wouldnt personally want to leave [morkinleth] in any shape or fashion... whatever we decide to do I would much rather it was a mojority decision, if we ARE to take to the surf for the last time I would only want to do it "togevva".....
Why? because frankly the only possible reason I would have for fighting on the side of [parthenononon] would be your(as a whole) lead, I have no real love for them nor hate for [digg], i feel of the two, If I HAD to join one , i would join [digg] (shock horror!!) only because [parthenon ] are- IMHO, a load of freeloaders, willing to hide in ANY alliance as long as they are protected and that they would see their allis' crushed without a care...
parthenon for me are the [firefox] of .com.... and how much did I hate those spanners! ... i see the same names, same tactics and same ethos .... and it chills me to the bone when thinking of giving my all to protect that.
so whats the option? to stand aside...? NO, I can see that leaving [digg] to 'rule' is not in our interests either... and yes I can see that we are likly to become the next target..... could we hold 'em? NO, could we hurt 'em YES.....
would we be doing the right thing? thats the only question I dont have an answer for..
in that, im not sure its right to join a war that is not our own simply to stifle an alliance to stop a hypathetical conflict in the future?
POSE..
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Pose
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Post by Pose on Oct 30, 2007 16:30:50 GMT
from a player in [pantheononon] that seem sto have already put his neck on the line.. just for info from the 'front line"
"Guess ifs its going on the forums that I shouldnt have gave such a negative impression of how things are going.
I think alot of the guys want to and would join in but at this moment in time when DIGG have such a massive advantage(2000 more isles or so)and outnumber us in most oceans alot of players are worried about getting there accounts destroyed.
Dont know if you saw the poot_N_tate thread on the forums, he was lucky he wasnt totally wiped out(although admittedly he did have appalling defences so it was to be expected really) thats exactly what aloy of the small outer ocean players are worried about.
I am 100% sure Morkin would be the catalyst PANTHEON need to reach its full potential. and with your reputation I could see alot of alliances aiding our cause or at the very least staying out of are way."
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Ruku
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Post by Ruku on Oct 30, 2007 16:34:15 GMT
I think i'm with aesir. Some are spread thin as others haven't been involved in the past 1 or 2 campaigns. Not only that, but all our new isles that we spent a lot of fleets on are just going to get taken at the drop of a hat, what a waste?
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Oct 30, 2007 19:57:45 GMT
My problem is that this war is counterproductive. It will lead to a concentration of power--small accounts get flattened, and large accounts become larger. And Digg will not split.
They saw Pantheon as a threat, and that lead to a rejection of all plans for splitting. The war just makes it worse. And I can't see how Pantheon can win this war, or how they can force Digg to split.
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Ruku
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Post by Ruku on Oct 30, 2007 20:19:24 GMT
My problem is that this war is counterproductive. It will lead to a concentration of power--small accounts get flattened, and large accounts become larger. And Digg will not split. They saw Pantheon as a threat, and that lead to a rejection of all plans for splitting. The war just makes it worse. And I can't see how Pantheon can win this war, or how they can force Digg to split. Agreed. Pantheon and any other Alliance that goes against them will most likley lose, thus feeding DIGG all the isles/army they will ever need.
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blazed
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Post by blazed on Oct 30, 2007 20:25:37 GMT
Well then whats the point of playing this game? You are all talking like Digg has won the power of the server, for me thats game over. We may be pushed thin at the moment big who cares if we rebuild over the next few months, to what end is that?
If we do split into two alliances we are basically sending half our alliance to destruction and those that remain will be severly weakend because of it
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Ruku
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Post by Ruku on Oct 30, 2007 20:32:24 GMT
Have DIGG actually given a reason as to why they will not split?
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Oct 30, 2007 20:37:22 GMT
Have DIGG actually given a reason as to why they will not split? Phil: Scoot: I must say, I don't believe they will split after the war. And they'd have to swallow their pride in order to split now. Perhaps if everybody declares them 'winner' or something, for having been the top alliance for a year. Then their pride might be satisfied, and we start over with a split Digg.
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Ruku
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Post by Ruku on Oct 30, 2007 21:18:16 GMT
Well instead of persuing a fight, why dont we find out some way in which we can persuade them to split? There must be a much easier way to get them to split that a fight, because as you said, it's highly unlikley they would split after anyway.
It might be good if Morkin act as mediators between to two allainces, give advice to both parties on how to go about this without fighting?
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Sol
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Post by Sol on Oct 30, 2007 22:39:18 GMT
If we go it can be more about the morals than actual fighting. I had the impression that people who wanted to go to war in Morkin were doing so for moral reasons. Which is why I suggested the deadline because when going to war for these reasons, the outcome doesn't matter, as long as you "feel good" about what you have done. Like I said a few posts ago, the time to help Pantheon has come and gone. If you fight, its not to win, but for "moral reasons" to feel good that at least you tried. I realize I don't really have much authority here because I've already killed my account for these "moral reasons." But, if it were up to me...I'd keep Morkin out of action. Pantheon is bleeding, not even the gods can save them from such wound or destroy the enemy. You can try and feel good about it (Like i am doing), but for those players who want to be here for the long run with nice accounts, I suggest you stay out of it.
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Clausewitz
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Post by Clausewitz on Oct 30, 2007 23:43:36 GMT
Face it, they'll tell us whatever they think we want to hear to keep us on the sidelines. We may well decide that is the best course of action (seems we already have), but don't be fooled by having honey poured in our ears.
They will always rationalize away notions of a split. Their rank-and-file on the IK forums made it quite clear that they never have any intent of ever splitting, because it poses a threat to the community which they cherish above everything else.
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