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Post by DrieZ/Cesium on Oct 29, 2007 16:23:50 GMT
DON'T CLICK THE LINK TOM HAS IN THE PREVIOUS MESSAGE
just to make it a little bit more clear ;-)
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Ruku
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Post by Ruku on Oct 29, 2007 16:32:27 GMT
I also have no desire to go ta war at all, well, not in attacking sence anyway although I will be happy to support. As I'v said before, after taking out Turdmugg in the Orc war, and now having to commit a load more fleets towards Rahein. Lets just say I wont be up to attacking for a good while.
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Sol
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Post by Sol on Oct 29, 2007 16:35:10 GMT
Yep. That message was sent to me also. I was slow in the head though when I opened it (it was 3am) and I wasn't thinking. But my account is alright.
Anyway, there is always a reluctance to go to war on our end. So I was thinking that Morkin doesn't necessarily have to engage in the actual war but can play psych war. Not necessarily aimed only at DIGG, but aimed at members in Pantheon. What I'm trying to say is that they need encouragement...day by day their hope dies I think. The day their hope fails, will be the day the war is lost even if they have fleets left. I hear many members talking about "I'm getting too old for this game anyway...this is a good reason to quit" or "I'm dead, so it doesn't matter" they're making excuses for their own end and some don't even bother to punch back . There are threads in the ingame forum labeled "I'm Dying" *lol* with reports like
My point is, they feel alone and DIGG propaganda is not making it any better. So, I don't know what kind of plan Morkin may follow to boost their spirits, but Shendemiar mentioned a great idea. We could have a database for Pantheon so they could enter reports and view them. Not necessarily our database, maybe Pantheon can have their own separate. I think such a gift from Morkin would be highly appreciated. They all post their attacks in the forum threads so you can imagine how messy and disorganized that is. But this idea may be too ambitions. Who knows...
All I know for sure is that Pantheon will not last long without moral support...
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Post by Tomthebuffalo on Oct 29, 2007 16:54:29 GMT
I get you Sol. I suppose it would always be easy just to merge into our old super alliance. And just put something essentially Pro-Pantheon on the board, but not commiting.
We get rank 3, and write something like.. (Merge for an up and coming combat situation, and then cover our tracks by just saying we merged for greater communication to deal with Rahein. ;D)
I'm not clever enough to work out such schemes, or put them through - but it shouldnt be too hard to organise such a stunt eh? Aggressive picture, big wow factor. Gets people going right?
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Sol
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Post by Sol on Oct 29, 2007 17:05:30 GMT
I don't oppose that idea. But then again, since I am not officially in Morkin anymore I can only suggest.
Merging may also encourage other alliances to aid Pantheon as well. However, if PAIN sees this, they might take the first step and declare war on Pantheon also...maybe. And, Morkin would still do nothing.
I don't know.
I'm not very great at this either. :/ And I really have no intentions to drag Morkin into something they dont want to be in. Not that I could anyways.
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Post by Cesium on Oct 29, 2007 17:16:20 GMT
Guys, I can understand some apprehension about getting into this war, especially since you've gotten beaten up in the past war, but remember, the defender has the advantage in inselkampf. And committing to pantheon wouldn't mean jumping right in and attacking DIGG. We would still have time to fortify weaker isles and ready for battle. But Sol said that pantheon needs a morale boost. That we can do easily.
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Post by 2kcastle on Oct 29, 2007 18:09:47 GMT
On the subject of the database i think its a very good idea, especcially if shendemiar doesn't mind letting pantheon members input their data into the one we use, we would then get access to all their espionage reports as well.
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Sol
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Post by Sol on Oct 29, 2007 18:09:58 GMT
Hmmm... This is a complicated subject. Cesium, I assume you're getting bored/desperate/anxious/just-wanna-get-into-a-war? mood? Yes, I only mentioned that Pantheon needs encouragement here, because from my perspective, that is the only thing Morkin can offer. Unfortunately, I think there are things Pantheon need that Morkin cannot offer (perhaps because it doesn't benefit the alliance). Of course, it CAN be done...but those who are here to play for long term will find that there are things that Morkin can't offer if they want to ensure their survival. For example, Pantheon also need serious leadership. All oceans have their admirals but this doesn't help when the forums are messy and disorganized. Serious order is needed there. Their disadvantage is that the alliance is so huge and the majority don't really have close friendships with their neighbors. Then to make it worse, when those who feel alone try to get informed, they open an alliance page to find threads full of negative/unfortunate things. I rarely see Pantheon admins really post. Perhaps because they are busy (I dont blame them). But as leaders, they should try to encourage their fighters. Inyati here does a very nice job for us. He's like our cheerleader . But pantheon don't really have that close unity that Morkin has here. Of course, morkin leaders here can message pantheon members and encourage them, but it won't be long until they start asking when Morkin is going to join. What answer would Morkin give? It's a tough situation. The other possibility is that Morkin lets Pantheon perish while Morkin rebuilds and hopes that DIGG splits after the war or that Morkin joins very late into the war to pick up some crumbs. I don't know. This is just what I see from my side.
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Cesium
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Post by Cesium on Oct 29, 2007 18:14:18 GMT
I'm not really in a bored/desperate/anxious/just-wanna-get-into-a-war-mood, I'm far too rational for that. I feel that DIGG's dominance over this server has to be ended if we wish to keep the game fun and competitive. Super alliances make the game dull. It would be ice to see some allinaces outside the top 20 actually matter in the game. I just feel for all the players who won't make it in a server dominated by a few selective superpowers. I've been in their position, and I can tell you, it's no fun.
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Sol
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Post by Sol on Oct 29, 2007 18:21:54 GMT
If you're really passionate about helping, I guess you could join Pantheon. But I dont recommend it because (being a hypocrite here now), you're a great asset to the alliance and because I don't think Pantheon will survive. They've lost 3 more members 5 min ago...I wonder how many they'll have in 5 days.
To be honest, I thought Pantheon would have been better prepared. They had a month after all...more than a month. But heh...things were not as they seemed.
The only hope I have now is that DIGG does something stupid like the links again, and someone can message Sven to delete some accounts.
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Post by Clausewitz on Oct 29, 2007 18:23:20 GMT
Here's my concern:
1. DIGG already believes we are providing material support to Pantheon. 2. DIGG will have no adversaries when Pantheon is defeated that are capable of posing a real challenge.
.: DIGG will come for us next, and our chances alone will be far worse than if we move strike with Pantheon.
Therefore, we either need to appease our new overlords and make real moves to show that we support them, or we need to accept the fact this server is done and go out in a blaze of glory now while we at least have a slim hope of turning the tide of war.
Make no mistake - it will be brutal. Several players in the "DIGG belt" will be exterminated. Their best options will be to fleetsave well and cost DIGG every last ship they can until the older waters are clean and our heavy fleets there can smash into o13-14 and beyond. Scorching of our own islands will provide a significant shortage of DIGG volunteers to incur losses by moving on our islands (in the "DIGG belt").
This would be a "Custer's Land Stand" maneuver. We would be effectively accepting this server has run it's course, that it's vibrancy has waned and is entering a stage where the prospects for survival are even more bleak than losing our accounts.
The decision rests with each and every one of us - it is a grave question we must all ask ourselves.
One thing will remain: The Morkin bond that we have all forged will live on, through Inselkampf - even if it must be on new and different servers. Our community here can never be destroyed, only the current status of our accounts.
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Post by inyati on Oct 29, 2007 18:25:31 GMT
... I just feel for all the players who won't make it in a server dominated by a few selective superpowers. I've been in their position, and I can tell you, it's no fun. Thats why we created KoM, and why we have put Hawk under our protection wing. All to give hope to the small alliance and samll player, and provide some territory for them to expand, without being utterly kampfed.
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Sol
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Post by Sol on Oct 29, 2007 19:19:07 GMT
Believe it or not...I can't believe this is coming from my mouth but I think the time to help pantheon has come and gone. We can give them last minute aid like stoners/db access, but over all it will take far too much time to help organize them. My personal opinion is that Morkin should stick it out. Let us see what happens after this war. Either way, IF what Clause says is right...we will die either way. Pantheon is a dead panda ha...fighting with pantheon now will probably be the same thing as fighting on our own. So does it matter? Can Morkin not risk a bit of time to see the outcome? Morkin can probably kick all the inactives and become a lower ranked alliance...hide in the rankings, pretend we are gone without force...come back later to strike. I say wait.
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Post by Clausewitz on Oct 29, 2007 19:22:06 GMT
DIGG already believes we are aiding Pantheon. They won't forget, and they won't lose sight of us from a slide in the rankings.
If we're not going to have one-last-charge with Pantheon, then we need to start kissing DIGG's Culo! immediately, or I guarantee they'll come dealing with us once Pantheon is broken.
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Sol
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Post by Sol on Oct 29, 2007 19:32:52 GMT
DIGG has known that Morkin has offered support since day 1. They have their spies in the forums and they see all that happens. If we join Pantheon now, then what? Will morkin do all the fighting while Pantheon throw in a stoner or two?If so, why rush into the war if Morkin can take some time to rebuild and prepare to face an inevitable death at the desired time? In the end perhaps this is just a personal choice. I've already made mine, so I don't know why I'm posting here.
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