Morkin's Island Takeover Policy

[Sol]

Wah...I never said I agreed with "sniping" isles. I think its wrong. Thats why I said people trying to do such things should accept the consequences.

[Ruku]

sol said:

In a game like this, I think anything can be faked/claimed...unless we start demanding that people take screen pictures of reports etc, but even then some sneaky mofo can always edit them...

I do think its very frustrating when someone comes and colonizes your isle after you've cleared it. I think thats one of the main reason why I don't enjoy colonizing bigger isles. There are also instances where people put the coords of isles they're going after on their PD, but really, who the hell is going to go searching for people's PDs to see if your desired isle is there?

Like mentioned before, there will never be a policy that everyone agrees with. For this reason, I think the simpler the policy is, the better. I think the 1 point, no catas for unnamed isles policy is a good one that will stick.

On the other hand, for other policies like sniping isles I don't think people would want to read essays of different policies. It would be like "I am currently following Morkin Policy number 'x,' please visit part A section i, of policy X and then contact Y to do Z"....bah its just a mess to me.

This is a game of war and chance after all...attempting to clear/colonize an isle will always come with its risks and those trying to fulfill such colonizations should accept those risks of having their isle taken, in my opinion. I do realize its not fair...Merda!, I'd be pissed off too...but in case of someone "accidentaly" colonizing a cleared isle, can we really place blame on someone? And, if someone knowingly takes an isle you've cleared...then they're obviously looking for trouble and will receive their just punishment.

But, again...I don't think Morkin can completely police IK so discussing colo policies sometimes seems useless to me. Maybe I've just given up hope of a unified IK.

I actually agree with you there Sol about the several policies being complicated and long winded. It was after all just an idea.

I also agree with the fact if they knowingly take an isle there will be trouble, but I'm guessing that we would have to act outside of Morkin's protection to take an isle back, if the policy is to change to this one?

If I was to act out of this policy would I be at any risk of being booted or slated?

[Ruku]

I do not in any way approve sniping isles, its completely against what I believe in.

My point is that people will do it to us without a care in the world, and we will not be able to do a thing about it due to the alliance's 'policies'.

I will not go sniping isles, and I know that people from this alliance will also not go around sniping isles. But when people will snipe off us, and we have the morality not to do it to others, it is just shouting to me that we are gaining no benefit from this what-so-ever.

Inyati, I agree with needing something to unify us, something where we are all backed under the same policies, but with this policy we dont gain unless we snipe, and thats something that we are not willing to do.

It allows the scum that do snipe, to get away with it.

[Sol]

Well, if you can provide full proof of someone taking an isle you cleared, and Morkin agreed to support you, then proper diplomatic action would be taken and if the "foe" does not agree, you always have the option of attacking such fool, and you may probably have the support of the whole alliance as well. From my experience with Morkin so far, you'll find that if you are "right," the alliance will most likely back you up...

But that just me.

And of course, each colonization dispute has its unique characteristics. For example, lets say some noob accidentally snipes your isle. Can you really demand for compensation when the poor guy just has one isle and you have over 30?

It's a very tough call.

[Ruku]

Yea your right there, there are so many different scenarios that we just cannot cover.

Perhaps our policy should be: Upon assesing the evidence presented to us we have decided that 'insert action here' will be taken.

[inyati]

When I first started this off I was actualy trying to create an internal etiquette to colonisation. I would still like it to be viewed as such.
Its called a policy, but I think I did wrong in giving it that name now, for it goes against my frist intention.
Basicly I wanted to create a layout for diplomats to follow and quickly rebuke stupid claims. This guide would be internal, and we wouldnt go about saying things like: "Morkins policy is this and that", but rather just stick to business not giving a rats-Culo! to the "policy" of others policies, and simply strike the best deal for our members.
Obviously, the level of diplomatic agression over a certain case (in some cases our diplomats will play it low and get the best deal possible, in others they'd go as far as declaring war if need be), would reflect on how we would have to conduct Island takeovers.

[McGoogus]

What defines a clear? What if multiple people clear an isle? How do you know the reports aren't fraudulent? There are too many grey areas with claims to a cleared isle. Like others have said, you clear and isle, you're taking a risk.

First one to get a MH2 is the only claim I can see as legitimate.

[Sol]

Ahhh

I understand now. Well, if we wanted to create such guidelines for the alliance only, maybe the best way to start this off is by analyzing past colo disputes and:

1. Creating a whole section on the forums for only colo disputes
1. Categorizing current and past disputes (since some of them are very similar)
2. Writing them in the most simplest form.
3. Each category can have a thread stating possible solutions, compensation, etc.
For example, we can have a thread on our policy for unnamed isles and what we would do in case someone used catapults and all that. Another thread on what would happen when a small player accidentally snipes an isle...and so on.



I can't count..notice my list.

[Ruku]

Exalts to Inyati on you your last post. You are clearly thinking of the members and I respect that hugely.

I also agree with what sol says with there being a completely different section for colo cases.

[Arminius]

How about we only make public the (undisputed) first part, and keep our options open for case A or B? As much as I don't like this course of action, it seems to be the only way out at present. Or we have a vote.

Update: never leave too much time between reading the post and replying...

[Ruku]

Hehe Arminius. I have been talking to Eproxy about the colo policies that are being worked on at the moment.

Am I right in saying that we have no Policy/guidelines at the moment as such?

I agree on moking the first part public (if this is the 1pt colo policy). As for the other 2 policies I say that we just wait and vote. And as Inyati said:

"Obviously, the level of diplomatic agression over a certain case (in some cases our diplomats will play it low and get the best deal possible, in others they'd go as far as declaring war if need be), would reflect on how we would have to conduct Island takeovers."

Maybe it should be a little more linient and take them as they come ^^

[Gornall]

Definately the first part goes undisputed, 1pt isles are cut and dry most of the time. MHlvl2 is your one and only claim.

The second part could be worked on for eternity and there will always be a situation that leaves dispute.

[Arminius]

Let me summarise:

a) 1pt islands - no cats - MH2 wins
b) 1pt islands - cats - bad boy/girl!
c) +pt islands - two choices
c-1 MH2 - first player to own the isle with MH2 wins
c-2 CLI - player who cleared island wins

The current discussion is to choose between c-1 and c-2.

[inyati]

Anyone seen my bloody revise solution? Blah!!!!!!! Sorry Arminius. Keep that summry in mind, I'm posting it here soon, as the top levels seem to not taken it into account...

[eproxy]

You mean this one? If I'm totally honest I hadn't seen it before (despite the post date) but it's a really good idea. Post it up and see what feedback we get (perhaps post up latter policy suggestion on the first post of that thread too?

Added;

inyati said:

Form all these last posts, I get the feeling that people actualy are hoping that we approve "sniping" islands off!!!

We won't be 'sniping' isles off other players but if they realise they can do it to us they will do.

sol said:

Well, if you can provide full proof of someone taking an isle you cleared, and Morkin agreed to support you, then proper diplomatic action would be taken and if the "foe" does not agree, you always have the option of attacking such fool, and you may probably have the support of the whole alliance as well.

What proof would we have other than a load of attack reports saying they colonised an isle after we cleared it? Even if it had already been cleared before they sent attacks they could just claim they thought it was undefended. If we had such an ettiquette out there such that it was "first person to colonise keeps" then during all our diplomatic isle issues our own ettiquette would suggest we let them have it.