Morkin's Island Takeover Policy

[kae]

K.I.S.S. -- Keep It Simple Stupid.

Let's just keep in mind that people are complaining about the lack of voting on new members. Is creating a colo dispute board really going to make things any easier?

Furthermore, have we run into a situation where the 'policy' (used in Inyati's definition) hasn't clearly defined and solved the issues at hand?

And another question, since people seemed to be so up in arms over it, are we going to stand idly by while other alliances regularly 'snipe' the islands? That would be grounds for war in and of itself.

Just keep it as simple as possible, verifiable, and you'll be in good shape. There are risks involved with clearing, and most players will give it up if you produce those reports anyways. I'm failing to see why this is such an epic conversation.

[Sol]

eproxy...like I said before, proof is never 100% proof hehe, I guess we should trust the honesty of OUR players? I dunno. It's a hard to say. This thing is giving me a head ache.

And I have seen inyati's revised solution. I think its great, but more should be added to it, like different kinds of colo disputes and solutions.

[Gornall]

Look at the bright side, without things like this us diplomats would be sat around twiddling our thumbs

[2kcastle]

I don't know how i missed it before but I've just read inyati's revised edition and i think its excellent,( exalts) I'll copy it here in case anyone else hasn't seen it:

Morkin's Island Takeover Policy
Diplomatic procedure with island claims and their colonization disputes


1pt ISLANDS (rulerless and undefended)

1st - Players have a rightful claim over an island under their control, or previously controled, with a lv2 MH or higher. It is considered righfully yours and you can demand compensation in the event it is damaged or even lost to another.

2nd - Colonyship fleets with cats are considered hostile acts even if the MH is below lv2.

>1pt ISLANDS (rulerless and defended)

3rd - Players who have spent the greatest amount of military units in clearing have a rightful claim over an island. They are entitled to keep it or, if unsuccesful in being the first to colonise, demand it be handed over, or be righfully compensated for their losses.

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I'd like to suggest we change the 3rd paragraph to ~ Players who have cleared the largest number of defensive units prior to colonisation are seen to have a rightfull claim over an island !rather than ~ players who have spent the greatest amount of military units.
A perfect example of why is the current dispute between teris and makari, makari's ineptitude means that he's expended about 4 times as much as he needed to in order to clear an isle, had teris landed her fleet earlier she could quite easily have cleared more from the isle with a tiny percentage of the losses.

[Ruku]

That is a fantastic revision, I could live with that very easily

[Gornall]

Exalts inyati.

That is the policy I was trying to get accross more or less (including 2ks amendment to cost/cleared)

Definately has my vote.

[GraySea]

I really do not want to re-invent the wheel but having to read 10 pages of ideas and suggestions is just toooooo much. So what ever you all say is fine with me. All of you have way more experience than I do anyway and I am sure that someone somewhere has covered my points anyway.

[inyati]

Sorry, last night I was cut short and coudn't conclud my reasonings. Thanks 2 2kcastle for posting the revised edition and for peoples exalts, but credits go to all for the revised edition is based on what is posted all over. The introdution to the revised edition explains the quest for a K.I.S.S. policy and shows credits to peoples efforts in this very interesting debate.

inyati said:

OK, trying to help wrap this up. Here's my proposal to finalise the issue, and to try and sumarise it into something easy to read and remember. I have tried to merge all the ideas discussed, and clearly marked out in the proposals done by 2kcastle, eproxy/Nemesis and myself.

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I aslo created a guide to acompany the policy rules:

inyati said:

COLONIZING GUIDE

The colozing guide's objective is to give tips to both player trying to grab an island as well as for Diplomats to resolve the conflicts.
Following the suggested method of colonization for ruleless islands (both defended and undefended) will help our diplomats resolve the issue quickly, or at least determine claims more accurately and with less hesitation, and keep our colonial members over "safer ground". However, its just a suggested method....
The Diplomatic guide however reflects Morkins Island Takeover Policy (MIToP), and may work against our members in some cases (especially if they dont follow the suggested method of colonisation).

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1pt ISLANDS (ruleless and undefended)

Suggested Method for colonizing

• Dont use cats;
  
• If island gets colonised while you have your colonyship enroute, send IGM to player informing the situation;
  
• If you are first to colonise and have incoming attacks, send IGM to player informing the situation;
  
• Build MH to lv2 ASAP;
  
• Keep records (mail and reports) of the whole issue.
  

DIPLOMATS GUIDE

• Player with a lv2 MH or higher is recognised as the rightful owner of the island.
  
• A fleet with cats hitting on an island with a lv2 MH or higher, is seen as an agressive act.
  
• Reinforcing 1pt Islands when there's an incoming colonyfleet, is seen as an agressive act, unless fleet contains cats.
  
• Loosing a 1pt island with a clean colonisation (no cats), is not an agressive act;
  
• A clean colonisation does not entitle compensation;
  
• However feel free to suggest compensation depending on situation, player profile and (un)civilized discourse;
  
• Strike the best deal for Morkin.
  

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>1pt ISLANDS (ruleless, but defended)

Suggested Method for colonizing

• Keep reports on all clearing done, as well as all mail relevent on the matter;
  
• Send clearing fleets and colonyship in seperate waves (in other words dont send colonyship with cat fleets);
  
• If you are first to colonise and have incoming attacks, send IGM to player informing the situation;
  
• Build MH to lv2 ASAP.
  

DIPLOMATS GUIDE

• Player with a lv2 MH or higher is recognised as a rightful owner of the island.
  
• However player with substantiated evidence of clearing an island (taken into account number of troops and ships spent in the process), has the greatest grounds to claim it, or is entitled to compensation.
  
• Be open to give or exchange compensation between players that have spent substantiated effort in taking the island;
  
• A fleet with cats hitting on an island with a lv2 MH or higher, is seen as an agressive act.
  
• Strike the best deal for Morkin.
  

[Gornall]

Sounds good mate.

Pretty much covers all bases and covers everyones points that have being made.

I like it

[Sol]

Yeah I also think this one is good.

[McGoogus]

What if the isle was cleared and farmed enough to repay the losses?

[Clausewitz]

A simple clause about "Clearing done prior to island becoming available (i.e., rulerless) is not recognized" should reconcile that issue, McGorgeous.

[eproxy]

I'd suggest the first section gets replaced with the following quote; it says basically the same thing though so it's not too important. This one makes more sense to me but then again it is the one I've been staring at for about a month now.

• If we take an isle from you without cats, we will keep. Likewise, if you take an isle from us without cats, you keep, no questions asked. If you send catapults with your attack and colonise our isle, regardless of damage incurred, we will take it back. Compensation in these cases is at the discretion of those involved.
  
  
• If we plunder your new isle, having sent our fleets before you took the isle, we will keep what we plunder as we don't expect what we lose from our new isles in the same way, to be returned.
  
  
• Our colonisation fleets do not come with catapults so do not reinforce your new isles or we may be looking for compensation.

As for Clausewitz suggestion I'd like to point out that it is stated as thus on a different version (it gives some reasoning too if someone gets uppity at us):

• Claims to isles cleared before deletion of the owner are not recognised by this policy. This is because we believe the clock begins only once the island goes unowned. No prior harvesting, clearing or cating are considered fair to the spirit of the game as they represent their own ends and rewards independent of the island going unowned.

[Null]

That last point made by Clause and Eproxy should definitely be added. It seems to be coming up a lot more recently, and certain alliances believe it gives them claim to an isle.

[Warliter]

Today an isle went unowned, when I spied it it had a Lvl 1 MH, Lvl7 SW and Lvl 1 WT.
I launched three attempts before coloing successfully, then I built the MH to lvl 2, fended of an attack from Flyvende of Corleth, and have an incoming from 'Noam' of [SALISH], I don't know if he has cats.

If he has cats and takes the isle from me, I understand that our policy states that the isle is mine no question.

what if he has been clearing the isle over the last 2 days, does that make any difference?