Warliter
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Post by Warliter on Jan 24, 2007 19:35:46 GMT
From what I've read they want to give over the compo and get on with building. I say push for the full colo ship compo, if not issue the ultimatum that we will give fishcult the resource to take the island and any direct intervention by anyone other than Loki will start a larger conflict form the Triumvirate. so Fishcult and Loki can slog it out. If that happens I got 3 cats with your name on the delivery note Fishcult
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Jan 24, 2007 19:52:17 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a hard line. But we should be consistent and 'reliable' in our actions. Otherwise no alliance will even try and come to an agreement with us if we still go after them later. Yes, island handover plus col-ship sounds good. Too much for them to accept without humiliation
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Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Jan 24, 2007 20:06:32 GMT
If we don't back Fishcult up we appear weak and word gets around. Before you know it every aggressive player in a half decent alliance thinks they can steal islands from FoM/Morkin/Corleth etc. Thats a valid point, and thus i can live with that course of action also. Im still missign the following data: - How soon after fishcults colonization LOKI attacked.
- What are Fishcults fleetsizes and units status.
And if the harder course of action is taken, i ask for one or two days before ultimatums, please let me have one or two nights to code the fleets database, so we can actually end this before it begins ;D
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Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Jan 24, 2007 20:19:26 GMT
We should also consider the -S- issue further, if we bombard, they may get upset.
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2kcastle
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Post by 2kcastle on Jan 24, 2007 21:53:54 GMT
I think a couple of days to prepare is a good idea, ive already started collecting resources on my main for a colo ship and Qued archers and cats. as far as i can see loki is a liar and picked the wrong person to steal isles from, Troian is an arrogant Stronzo! who naturally assumes we should agree with him or at least go along with whatever he decides, and mx are quite happy to harbour someone they know lied not only to us but to their admins. When mx were faced with this situation against one of their members they attacked the offending player and took his isles ( life is green ) so i see no reason we shouldnt do the same.
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Post by 2kcastle on Jan 24, 2007 22:05:18 GMT
sorry for double post but i found these and thought you'd all be interested. first off this is from the list of our isles that troian posted. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Antistar [FA] Profile: View Last visit: Jan 24 2007 8:40AM Messages: 23 Registered: 10/22/2006 Medals: 0 1/23/2007 5:12:55 PM Carangrane (1:58:10)
Reserved in the event of conflict =) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- why is skulkrinbait always the one people want to attack ? no other isles have been claimed. second is how mer is explaining whats going on. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What happened?
Loki... -Saw an isle that he could colonise. -Cleared the defense from the isle and catapulted the main house from 20 to 1. -Failed 2 colony attempts. -Had his 3rd attempt colonise the isle (overnight). -Had the isle stolen by Fishcult (before Loki could raise the MH). -Took the isle back (As Loki rightfully owned the isle).
Looks like the isle belongs to Loki, what's the deal with Fishcult?
Well, Fishcult believes that he owns the isle and claims that Loki 'aggressively' took the isle from him. Fishcult fails to see the reports and evidence that we have provided as proof that the isle belongs to Loki.
OK, so Fishcult just seems thick. Whats the twist?
There is a twist to this story, that has made it a bit more difficult for us.
Loki had deleted the original successful report (for the first time round - the FIRST CS success) from his inbox - as it was his isle and he didn't think that this whole issue would explode.
Fishcult requested all of the reports and in fear that Fishcult would notice that he was missing a report, Loki forged one. OK - this is fair in a sense, but Loki made a mistake with it and Fishcult noticed.
This is where it exploded. Fishcult REFUSES to let go of this issue. He claims that he rightfully owns the isle and that Loki is just a liar. Loki made a mistake, yes, but there are plenty of other reports to prove that Loki is 100% the rightful owner of the isle. Fishcult is simply being difficult. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Theres a load of posts about how great they are and how many excellent members they have, how easy they are going to beat us etc.etc. so far ive counted 4 people in their alliance who've shown any interest in fighting and 3 that say they have friends in here and dont want to fight.
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Jan 24, 2007 22:26:43 GMT
I think we should
a) set an ultimatum to put pressure on them. b) indicate that we're the ones who decide whether there's going to be a war c) send an email to Antistar where we tell him which of our players have reserved which of his isles.
I also have heard from some players in MX that they don't want to fight us.
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SkulkrinBait
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Jan 24, 2007 22:28:27 GMT
Re the above, is that all from the MX forums? We've proof that Fishcult colonised the island when it was unowned, maybe a screenshot of that might be useful? Anyway, I'm not surprised one of my isles is targetted as I always seem to attract such attention and I had the audacity to message Toairan. There's 700 spears and 300 stoners on that island so let's see what they send to it
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SkulkrinBait
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Jan 24, 2007 22:34:27 GMT
If we don't back Fishcult up we appear weak and word gets around. Before you know it every aggressive player in a half decent alliance thinks they can steal islands from FoM/Morkin/Corleth etc. Thats a valid point, and thus i can live with that course of action also. Im still missign the following data: - How soon after fishcults colonization LOKI attacked.
- What are Fishcults fleetsizes and units status.
And if the harder course of action is taken, i ask for one or two days before ultimatums, please let me have one or two nights to code the fleets database, so we can actually end this before it begins ;D I believe the colonisation attempt from Loki was 4 and a half hours or so after Fishcult was successful. Fishcults main fleet is quite handy IIRC, ask him directly if you like.
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Warliter
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Post by Warliter on Jan 24, 2007 22:41:01 GMT
Anyway, I'm not surprised one of my isles is targetted as I always seem to attract such attention and I had the audacity to message Toairan. There's 700 spears and 300 stoners on that island so let's see what they send to it I think you should change you slogan from Shendy Bait to public enemy no.1 ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Ringthane on Jan 24, 2007 22:53:44 GMT
Where are we hitting?
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2kcastle
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Post by 2kcastle on Jan 24, 2007 23:08:25 GMT
I think we need to decide if we are just going to target loki and see if mx as a group are prepared to fight for him or if we are going to launch pre-emptive strikes at troian and mer at the same time as we take out loki. I'd be very surprised to see troian and mer actually do anything about it if we took loki's isles, we could time the attacks so they all land close together and if we wait til we have enough colo ships by the time loki realises whats going on its too late.
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Post by Ringthane on Jan 24, 2007 23:13:21 GMT
I will have one colony ship ready around 7AM GMT.
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Post by fishcult on Jan 24, 2007 23:31:56 GMT
Thanks for the support! I think we should send mass mail(s) to all MX members (except Loki, Mer & Troian?) with the link to the screenshot from my coloreport and some kind summary of happenings. We could include an advise to leave alliance which does practice selfdestructive policy like this. At the same time we could send the ultimatum to the admins. That could cause quite of disturbance in [MX]. Your thoughts?
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Jan 24, 2007 23:42:17 GMT
We shouldn't advise them to leave the alliance. They might see that as interference with their affairs and instead increase their motivation to show us what a good alliance they are...
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