mmupatton
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Post by mmupatton on Jan 24, 2007 9:29:30 GMT
This has been fun. As stated elsewhere Malin from Corleth has also been messaging Mer, so I don't think they can be ignorant as the FoM/Morkin/Corleth connection.
Also...
Does everyone have spies in MX? Are there anyone in that alliance, apart from the spies, whom I expect we are (secretly) on good terms with? (I am referring to the many posts that apparently come from inside MX)
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mmupatton
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Post by mmupatton on Jan 24, 2007 9:31:11 GMT
Just got this forwarded from Malin:
Somehow I feel that is news...
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eproxy
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Post by eproxy on Jan 24, 2007 9:57:33 GMT
They're bouncing it back and forth, I think they need a deadline. They know this has gone on for too long. As for [MX] contacts I don't have one; well I do but its Troian ^^
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SkulkrinBait
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Jan 24, 2007 12:09:00 GMT
They've offered Fishcult compensation of half a colonisation ship worth of resources, so 17.5k gold, 5k lumber.
I've said that seems reasonable, if Loki sent the colony ship with cats in good faith, thinking the island was still unowned. However, that is a very big if so it may well not be a reasonable offer.
Fishcult knows about this offer and is going to consider it, but of course I have said we will back him up whatever he decides.
I've deliberately come across to Mer as being a reasonable person and something of a soft touch to give us time to prepare for war should it come down to it while not sounding any alarm bells from thier point of view. But I've not agreed to anything.
Personally it seems suspicous that Loki would send a colony ship with cats to an unowned island which he thinks has a level 1 main house and then forge subsequent battle reports. But I've no proof he definitely knew he was attacking Fishcults new colony.
Also MX said they would kick him out for the forgeries, did I read that somewhere?
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eproxy
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Post by eproxy on Jan 24, 2007 12:24:18 GMT
I believe they did say he would be kicked. Evidently this hasn't happened, as for half a coloship thats pitiful, the least one should expect is the full amount.
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inyati
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Post by inyati on Jan 24, 2007 12:26:56 GMT
Accept the compensation, and if they kick him out we jump on him... ;D
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Warliter
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Post by Warliter on Jan 24, 2007 12:32:23 GMT
looking at the initial post by Fishcult, they were going to kick him about 4-6 days ago, Fishcult will probably be able to confirm the dya that first message from troian said that at the end.
If he is still a member that means that the admin/diplomats of MX will lie to protect their own, this makes them un-trustworthy and we should be vigilant that this is not a ploy to co-ordinate a counter-attack.
That said if you are going to sort out diplomatic incidents either lie well or be bluntly truthful IMO
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Post by coruscation on Jan 24, 2007 16:55:49 GMT
I have access to an account in MX, I think Tom does too.
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2kcastle
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Post by 2kcastle on Jan 24, 2007 17:29:01 GMT
I dont think there should be any compensation offer that doesnt include the isle going back to fishcult, if [mx] get to keep that isle they are going to see us as a soft touch and troian's attitude is bad enough now, if he think's he's threatened us and we've backed down he'll be an even bigger arse the next time this happens.
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SkulkrinBait
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Jan 24, 2007 17:33:53 GMT
We've not backed down. Watch this space!
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Post by raistlin on Jan 24, 2007 17:43:46 GMT
I have an OK relationship with Daft_Vader. Do you want me to ask him about it?
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SkulkrinBait
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Jan 24, 2007 17:50:10 GMT
Too late! Tell him we are attacking Loki in return for him stealing an isle from Fishcult. But not just yet, we might still get fair compensation, but unlikely.
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Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Jan 24, 2007 18:45:17 GMT
I admit this is just cause to start feuds, but its still bad time for war, small or big.
I suggest that we pursue for full compensation. If we cant get it, we would have Casus belli, but we would not use it due to alliance reasons. For this, fishcult would receive the missing part of the compensation from our pockets... its like ~50 gold for each... Avoiding this and other possible wars, and we would have clear shot at our real enemies when the time comes.
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Jan 24, 2007 19:10:13 GMT
But if we accept compensation then we haven't got a reason for going after them later...
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SkulkrinBait
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Jan 24, 2007 19:22:25 GMT
If we don't back Fishcult up we appear weak and word gets around. Before you know it every aggressive player in a half decent alliance thinks they can steal islands from FoM/Morkin/Corleth etc.
I'm ready to issue an ultimatum to MX, pay full compensation for the lost colony ship and order Loki to give back the island to Fishcult, that is very fair I think.
If they don't agree to do this within 24 hours I am going to sanction Fishcult to use force.
If MX get involved then so do the Triumverate and Digg have also offered to back us up.
I'll hold off issuing the demands until we've discussed it a bit more as I think some of us aren't happy with it.
There is another option, if we can trust to a "gentlemans agreement"
Let's tell MX we will give Fishcult whatever resources we can and they can do the same with Loki. Then let the two slog it out between them with no direct intervention from anyone else.
A bit more civilised, but can both sides abide by that?
I'd agree to this as I am sure Loki wouldn't stand a chance against Fishcult.
;D
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