War against Digg - Planning

[Shendemiar]

We will go to war against Digg.

Please post any ideas you have. Time is of the essence, but we must not rush things. I want people to take iniative and responsibility.

Do we merge or no? Who do we attack? Who do we inform now?

Morals are biggest part of warfare. We must time our entry nicely and soon.

[Shendemiar]

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[AeroS]

ri·dic·u·lous, fruit·less . Why not just suicide on each other and then give DIGG our islands?
We fight Orc and now Rahein and deplete our fleets to take islands that are new and undefended, then just jump right into war with DIGG.
I am disappointed with this decision.

[Shendemiar]

Vounerable and unwilling people can stay out of the war in some of the alliances. These are the things we would need to organize.

[domhnall]

I agree with Aeros to good degree, that being said...

I'm not pushed. Ik has started to depress me and if it were up to me we'd all up sticks and play something else.

So getting smashed doesn't worry me; however I think we MMM, shore up our defenses (stoney drop defensible isles- prepping indefensibles for suicide) and go in simultanious with Valheru (NOT before) for maximum effect and minimum Digg vengeance.

My thoughts on reason for and other diplomatic things:
Preventing Pantheons destruction to preserve server balance is our best reason. I think we as group should be willing to settle for a draw. I don't think Digg are as bad as they are painted and I think we shouldn't get dragged into name calling, or other silliness.

I think our line should be "a fun war between honorable opponents" whether it is true or not. We should avoid painting Digg as villains; it will make it harder to paint us as villains and minimize retribution.


That said, admin workload is Digg biggest weakness and thats who we target. Wall of text them on the forum. Send them long mails on abstract points. Send dummy fleets and tranport of stone all over the shop.

[domhnall]

Also, mostly support role esp. early on. Keep out of Diggs face.

[Shendemiar]

We can wage war in many ways... Doesn't have to include huge amounts of LWS.

[Arminius]

We need to plan that well, as PAIN will enter the fight as soon as we do. Maybe we could pre-emptively attack them instead? Sort of keeping Pantheon's back free, as PAIN support Digg?

[ashimar]

aeros said:

ri·dic·u·lous, fruit·less . Why not just suicide on each other and then give DIGG our islands?
We fight Orc and now Rahein and deplete our fleets to take islands that are new and undefended, then just jump right into war with DIGG.
I am disappointed with this decision.

And you think in the long run you can actually hold on to your islands after the others are gone Ri-di-cu-lous. Short-sight-ed.

Don't colonise those islands and try in vain to hold on to them. Make them utterly useless and a burden to them foolish enough to spend a colonyship on them.

This is also about the right thing to do, excuse me for saying.

Also: Digg might just crack under the added weight of yet another opponent who condemns them.

[Natmus]

We have the option of sending loads of fake attacks, and perhaps even information overload them by sending them lots of 1 SMS shipments with 1 stone each, 5 individual shipments to each DIGG isle.

[2kcastle]

I don't think we should announce this at all outside of our alliances yet, Digg have too many points of contact for it to stay a secret and the psychological effect of us taking sides will be greatest if they find out about it from us.
I think the database could be our greatest weapon, if shendemiar could give access to pantheon and their admins can get a lot of their members to submit spy and attack reports they could have a chance of organising properly ( especcially if someone produced a spreadsheet for claiming isles like we had for operation europa.)
Obviously i'm saying all this in near blissful ignorance of how much work this would put on shendemiar, inyati, arminius and all the usual suspects. i don't even know for sure that the database could handle all the extra input.

I think that we need to make clear in our original announcement that we are joining in because we think the sheer size of the Digg alliance is making the server un-playable and not because we have anything against their members. it'll be much easier to get support from the undecideds if we can present an argument they can relate to.

[AeroS]

ashimar said:

aeros said:

ri·dic·u·lous, fruit·less . Why not just suicide on each other and then give DIGG our islands?
We fight Orc and now Rahein and deplete our fleets to take islands that are new and undefended, then just jump right into war with DIGG.
I am disappointed with this decision.

And you think in the long run you can actually hold on to your islands after the others are gone Ri-di-cu-lous. Short-sight-ed.

Don't colonise those islands and try in vain to hold on to them. Make them utterly useless and a burden to them foolish enough to spend a colonyship on them.

This is also about the right thing to do, excuse me for saying.

Also: Digg might just crack under the added weight of yet another opponent who condemns them.

short sighted is jumping into a fight with Rahein when you have clearly decided a while ago to war with DIGG. If you really wanted this damned war, then Rahein should have been left alone. He would have been alot less of a problem. Check out the O43 section. All those islands are presently under attack. Theres Thousands of LW's that won't be available.
DIGG was not the aggressor in this war and we aren't fighting for the little guy and Luxor still holds a peace treaty with them. I hear talk about how we will be dead in 2-3 months if we don't kill ourselves now. All this seems like a desperation move. Has anyone sent anything over to DIGG as part of a war declaration describing why they are warring with them? conditions that they are hoping to achieve? What do we want from it? We are going the way of the clause.

[Shendemiar]

aeros said:

short sighted is jumping into a fight with Rahein when you have clearly decided a while ago to war with DIGG. If you really wanted this damned war, then Rahein should have been left alone. He would have been alot less of a problem. Check out the O43 section. All those islands are presently under attack. Theres Thousands of LW's that won't be available.
DIGG was not the aggressor in this war and we aren't fighting for the little guy and Luxor still holds a peace treaty with them. I hear talk about how we will be dead in 2-3 months if we don't kill ourselves now. All this seems like a desperation move. Has anyone sent anything over to DIGG as part of a war declaration describing why they are warring with them? conditions that they are hoping to achieve? What do we want from it? We are going the way of the clause.

Rahein/Hor = Digg

For the record, it was not decided until yesterday, and we wanted and still want to stay out if possible. But seeing how Digg acted and acts under stress, and considering their size, there is no other option or this server will become unplayable.

And just like it was said many times that do not waste LWS on Rahein, the same applies here. LWS can be spent in same rate they produce: Take one isle a week and make sure it stays or concentrate destroing isles Digg gains, that is cheap and that is effective. Blizkrieg looks nice, but in this game guerilla pays off the best.

[Shendemiar]

2kcastle said:

I think that we need to make clear in our original announcement that we are joining in because we think the sheer size of the Digg alliance is making the server un-playable and not because we have anything against their members. it'll be much easier to get support from the undecideds if we can present an argument they can relate to.

Yes, that would be good to mention. The announcement needs to be well crafted. Someone should start working it.

2kcastle said:

I don't think we should announce this at all outside of our alliances yet, Digg have too many points of contact for it to stay a secret and the psychological effect of us taking sides will be greatest if they find out about it from us.
I think the database could be our greatest weapon, if shendemiar could give access to pantheon and their admins can get a lot of their members to submit spy and attack reports they could have a chance of organising properly ( especcially if someone produced a spreadsheet for claiming isles like we had for operation europa.)
Obviously i'm saying all this in near blissful ignorance of how much work this would put on shendemiar, inyati, arminius and all the usual suspects. i don't even know for sure that the database could handle all the extra input.

Yes, the database can be shared and i'm just thinking about how to do it the best way.

[Shendemiar]

Well that didn't certainly take too long to be spilled out to Luxor area. I'm not saying its a bad thing but it was not supposed to happen until we announce it there. (which was to happen way before going public)