Kae vs Dionysus

[AeroS]

There is a dispute between Kae and Dionysus. Can a diplomat contact Dionysus please.

[Arminius]

What are the details? I.e., what do we want?

[AeroS]

1. 32:24:16 goes unruled. no troops on island.
2. Dionysus colo's island.
3. 5-10 min later kae colo's without sending cats.
4. Dionysus is demanding the island back and is not happy.
*I think he will try to use it as an excuse to start a war with us. He has already cited the CC dispute several times and is pretty much pissed about all of it.
5. Dionysus argued with kae about being there first and then sent an attack fleet
6. I convinced Dionysus to recall his fleets and solve it with Diplomacy.
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Thats pretty much where we are now.
I want to stress that Dionysus is extremely unhappy and this stems from the CC dispute. He is looking for areason to make this a big event.

[inyati]

cool!

[Cesium]

I'll take it.

[inyati]

Did Kae have time to buildup MH?

[Cesium]

Apparently so, the isle is still in his posession.

[Arminius]

He should by now.

Perhaps we should offer (generous?) compensation, given the history with this guy. Even though it is not really required according to our policy.

[inyati]

Lets offer him war!!!! MUHAHAHAHA

[Cesium]

That's pretty generous. Not everyone gets to be smashed up by the mighty Morkin and co. fleets.

Oh, I sent this to Dionysus, though I think the case is in our favor here.

Dionysus
0 minutes ago
A colony dispute
Hi there, I'm Javan, I'm a diplomat here at Morkin and co., and I was assigned to help you and kae work out this dispute over 32:24:16. Anyway, could you give me the specifics of this dispute? Thanks for your time.

Javan

[AeroS]

I think kae is gone or leaving soon. I have access to his account so if you need anything from him, let me know and I will retrieve it. Kae is easy going and I think he will go with whatever the diplomats decide is best.
EDIT: I am not sitting Kae's account. If you need something and you don't get a response from him in his mail box you will have to Mail me direct. I am not monitoring his account.

[Cesium]

Well usually when I say clearing, I actually CLEARED something. This guy lost three mighty spears in the battle against this isles main house.

The reports:

I sent 3 clearing fleets after 32:24:16, then my colo fleet. Granted, I didn't do a lot of damage in clearing, but I colo'd the island. Shortly after I colo'd it, Kae took it, and declared he was keeping it. I was there first, which is the way we handle colo disputes. I'd like my island back.

Dionysus
Admin
Pantheon

Like I said, I didn't do much in clearing the island, but I did hit it 3 times before I took it, and first one to colo keeps it in our book...

Dionysus

1 day ago
Attack on 022 - disputed (32:24:16)
Units of Dionysus
Total Losses
Large Warships 100 0
Spearfighters 500 1
Units of rulerless Island
Total Losses
Plundered resources
Gold 0
Stone 0
Lumber 0

1 day ago
Attack on 022 - disputed (32:24:16)
Units of Dionysus
Total Losses
Large Warships 100 0
Spearfighters 500 1
Catapults 24 0
Units of rulerless Island
Total Losses
Plundered resources
Gold 0
Stone 0
Lumber 0
Destruction
Harbour Level 16 (Destruction: 1)
Storehouse Level 12 (Destruction: 2)

1 day ago
Attack on 022 - disputed (32:24:16)
Units of Dionysus
Total Losses
Large Warships 100 0
Spearfighters 500 1
Catapults 24 0
Units of rulerless Island
Total Losses
Plundered resources
Gold 0
Stone 0
Lumber 0
Destruction
Main House Level 1 (Destruction: 14)

Cesium wrote:
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I see. Could I see the clearing reports please? That'd be a great help.

Javan

I know I'm exceedingly generous, but I figure this isn't the best time to be pissing off Pantheon. I sent him this:
So what's your claim to the isle then? I see here you didn't really clear anything, rather you knocked down the main house. I know you must have been hovering over this isle for a while, but the person who gets the isle and sucessfully levels up the main house keeps it on our book, unless catapults were used in the overcolonising attempt. You didn't have the time to level up the main house. It's a pain, I know. I've lost several isles that way. Usually what happens is the party who came up with the isle in the dogpile pays up a coloships worth of resources to the guy who got overcoloed. Unless kae employed foul play here, all he should do is reimburse you for your colo ship. If this is what happened, and you accept 35K gold (and lumber if you need it) I'll give you, out of goodwill between our alliances 5 catapults. Does this sound fair? Thanks for your time.

Javan

[Cesium]

Oh, being a double posting Puttana! here real quick, but what's this with kae leaving? For good? Seriously?

[AeroS]

NO! just went to the west coast I think. He posted something somewhere. I can't remember where though. It might be in the internal.
If he were going to be gone for a while I would sit his account but I think it is supposed to be a real short trip.

EDIT:
kae
12 hours ago
Just before I get on the road to head out to the west coast....
*****
found it in the RHINO vs Orc internal thread. already 3 pages
back ;D

I will offer 10 cats myself for the negotiation. Pantheon is heavy in my area and I need Dionysus(EvilDave) on my side if this war breaks out.

[Null]

a similar issue came up with a Pantheon member and me awhile back. Though I used cats in the over-colo, it didn't affect the outcome as the house was at lvl1 still. When I asked the Pantheon player what his and his alliances take on "coloing over an isle without cats before they are able to build up the main house" he said something about it being then up to the parties to decide, but generally the one with the isle keeps and the other is compensated.