Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Sept 26, 2007 22:24:24 GMT
I think its great work worth 10 exalts, and we should pursue it.
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Ruku
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Post by Ruku on Sept 26, 2007 22:42:29 GMT
Come on people more opinions on this please!
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Sept 26, 2007 22:43:37 GMT
My opinion is to wait and do nothing. Well, prepare, but not attack. If they want they can come and attack us, and then we'll fight back.
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Natmus
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Post by Natmus on Sept 26, 2007 22:52:47 GMT
Nobody attacks them first. This situation is about to slip completly out of our hands, and this just isn't worth fighting a war over. We need to get a grip, and get this thing into perspective.
I'm usually all in favour of fighting nearly anyone for whatever excuse we can cook up, but this thing is just too far out.
I'm not going to war over some stupid colony dispute. Even if it were my own, which it isn't!
Everybody just keep their fleets home for now. I told Otak that we wouldn't attack anyone not actively attacking us first, and Otak said the same on Orc's part, I think.
So everybody be cool, okay? Then all of this will blow over in a few days. I hope.
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Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Sept 26, 2007 22:55:23 GMT
If 10000 stoners are paid, in theory we are back to the colodispute-level.
In reality however it might be that orcs have bad blood against us in any case now... and it would be better just to whack 'em now and not wait the orckish knife in our backs some other day.
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Sept 26, 2007 22:58:43 GMT
I wonder if they still harbour a grudge for remaining neutral with RK...
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Sol
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Post by Sol on Sept 26, 2007 23:14:41 GMT
At the beginning of this dispute I was very reluctant into going to battle because I thought that we could use our fleets for a greater purpose. But I consider Ashimar a friend (even if he is selling) so I would give him a helping hand.
Plus, additional information has led me to believe that this has become MORE than a colo dispute. Current ORC behavior has interested DIGG and correct me if I'm wrong, but they have basically betrayed us for even thinking and lending hand to ORCs for delivering stoners and for their other messages.
So to me, this has become also more of a good excuse to drop the pact with DIGG.
EDIT:
Yes, I think they should be the first to attack...
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RapSO
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Post by RapSO on Sept 26, 2007 23:19:58 GMT
I wonder if they still harbour a grudge for remaining neutral with RK... I think they do, but I've never really had much dealings with the Orcs. It doesn't seem like this is worth fighting over, and I'm all about finding a peaceful solution, so I'm in favour of Ruku's proposal. The way I see it, if we pay him the 100 cats/10000 stonies, then the entire matter is settled.
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Sol
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Post by Sol on Sept 26, 2007 23:24:14 GMT
Well, I won't go to war (not that I have a choice), if compensation is paid and we drop our pact with DIGG for being assholes and helping the enemy behind our back.
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Sept 26, 2007 23:33:56 GMT
we drop our pact with DIGG for being assholes and helping the enemy behind our back. From a diplomatic point of view, do we have evidence of them helping the enemy apart from the suspicious 10K stoners? I think I've got some evidence for the first reason
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Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Sept 26, 2007 23:38:22 GMT
Its kom area, it leaks like a old pipe.
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Clausewitz
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Post by Clausewitz on Sept 26, 2007 23:39:46 GMT
I'm not convinced those were DIGG stoners. They don't have islands in o2, and I'd be surprised if they could have gotten that many there that fast.
Of course, that's not to say they are not DIGG stoners that were given to the Orcs back when they were defending against RK - simply that it seems improbable that DIGG was able to get that many there that fast for this particular incident.
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kae
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Post by kae on Sept 26, 2007 23:56:29 GMT
I am willing to fight over this whole thing if the alliance is going there, but are we not being just a tad reactionary?
Granted, the Orcs have it coming to them. They are bullies, they have been aggressive through the whole matter, and seem to be in a provocative mood. But I have heard opinions in favour of those very things right here on this forum before.
To be honest, the biggest issue here is Ashimar launching the fleets at that island. While I sympathize on why he did it, I don't think it was the wise thing to do with everything considered. So, as ministry has taught me, there are many things to be fought over, but not every hill is worth dying on.
Is this really a hill worth dying on?
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Ruku
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Post by Ruku on Sept 27, 2007 0:11:29 GMT
I am willing to fight over this whole thing if the alliance is going there, but are we not being just a tad reactionary? Granted, the Orcs have it coming to them. They are bullies, they have been aggressive through the whole matter, and seem to be in a provocative mood. But I have heard opinions in favour of those very things right here on this forum before. To be honest, the biggest issue here is Ashimar launching the fleets at that island. While I sympathize on why he did it, I don't think it was the wise thing to do with everything considered. So, as ministry has taught me, there are many things to be fought over, but not every hill is worth dying on. Is this really a hill worth dying on? I agree with all thats posted here, its not worth the fight if we can give them 100cat/10000stoners (still seeing about the stoners). The loss of either of those is much less than that of war.
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Post by Freiegeister on Sept 27, 2007 0:29:22 GMT
Is it just me, or does "ORC Solution" smack of Final Solution...
I think the total destruction of the Orcs would put us on the path of war with Digg. Digg would not stand by and let the Orcs disappear, and while Pantheon might use that as the prefix to finally attack Digg, I would expect them to sit it out, and leave us and Digg to fight it out. They would probably only come in to pick up the crumbs at the end when a loser has been decided. Pantheon would become top alliance by default.
Now, if this is how we want to go out of this game, fine; but I have an issue with letting the likes of Phoenix and FOIMP ruling this server - even in our absence.
I agree with Natmus et al, let's not be the aggressors here. If they attack, we respond.
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