Mandatory Voting?

[Clausewitz]

Saw it was "REQUIRED" in the news section.

Is this correct? I am personally inclined to defer policy matters to folks who have been around the alliance a bit longer than myself, but if required, I can certainly put an "I abstain" post into the applicant threads. I do read them all, I just don't want to influence the outcome on many of them...

[Sol]

lol I only said REQUIRED because there is a serious LACK of people voting and its really giving digital and pending members a frustrating time.

[Sol]

Actually...well, I should have probably asked an admin before posting the required part. But, this does bring me to another issue that I've posted on the internal forums which I'll probably post eleswhere...but

I do find it sad that there are probably 20ish even 9 votes per application. How many members are there in total? If you ask me, it should be made mandatory...one because this way the admins mostly digital and RapSo don't have to remind people to vote because applicants are waiting for a response. Yeah, I agree that they should be patient...but people seem to read the applications and they don't even vote. So then what is the point of having them?

[RapSO]

LOL, that section is off limits to members of KoM, so I doubt you'll get much response there

I do like the idea though. Perhaps not mandatory for all of Morkin, but at least the members of KoM. I know I don't vote on all members myself, but I could start a precedent

[kae]

Really, I just think that there should be a time limit (except in extrenuating circumstances) on the applications. For example, 5 days.

That means, 5 days from when we receive their application, to when the matter is closed, and the admins tally up the votes. They have 2 days to get the application into us once it's been sent, or the matter is closed and denied. They can reapply in two weeks.

It makes things clean and cool. 5 days is more than enough time for discussion, and may even be too much time.

KoM in general simply needs to be encouraged to take an active role in the forums. I'd love to hear what some of them have to say about my recent incursion with JRo. And the rest of us need to make an effort to post everything that isn't 'super-sensitive' on the KoM boards.

It's a two way street!

[Clausewitz]

kae said:

KoM in general simply needs to be encouraged to take an active role in the forums. I'd love to hear what some of them have to say about my recent incursion with JRo. And the rest of us need to make an effort to post everything that isn't 'super-sensitive' on the KoM boards.

It's a two way street!

I was actually chewing on this thought myself tonight. I had a conversation with Calamity over some pizza dinner tonight about it (yes, we're lame, we talk IK during dinner).

She finds posting for posting sake to be pretty ridiculous, and finds much of the subject-matter to be historical aspects she knows little about, or believes everything to be said has already been said (notice she's a bit more active on the "off-topic" threads like drinking and whatnot).

But we also talked about how the only real way to tell a player like her who reads daily (often under my login, since her computer is still a week or two away from being fixed) apart from one who simply ignores the forums is to check their profile daily, and see the last time they have logged in (would it be possible for Shen to share with digital a "user login" rate?).

Also, it seems we may indeed have been walking a little too cautiously on the fine line between disclosure and security. Granted, there are things in these forums that KoM "spies" could possibly exploited if leaked, but probably 75% of what is posted to the LUXOR forums doesn't meet that criteria...

[Sol]

Yep, I do agree with what kae and clause have to say about the content of the KoM section. Maybe KoM members would be more encouraged to participate, if they got to read the more "interesting/political" topics.

Either way, whether its members from Morkin, Luxor, Corleth, or KoM, more people should start voting. Going back to Kae's comment. It is very hard to set a 5 day time limit, when day 5 approaches and only 3 people have voted...

[RapSO]

Actually there's an entire thread about joining, where 48-72 hours are given for voting. That doesn't seem unfair, but people need to vote during that time And applicants needs to return the questionnaire as fast as possible of course, preferably within 48 hours.

I read your story kae, and I'll comment on it tomorrow, it's 3:23 am here now, and I need to sleep I had to stay up to see my successful colonization in O2

[digital]

The general procedure is to have a verdict within 48-72hours. I generally try to stick to that unless there are not enough votes, at which point I message the applicant apologising for the long wait and saying that we are still deliberating.

Adding a poll would certainly make tallying up the decisions easier. However I don't know how to add one when its not on the first post, generally a post is created saying sent and then the questionnaire is attached when it arrives, there's no point in voting just based on the name (except for well known dodgy players).

I don't agree with mandatory voting, it should be encouraged but by no means forced.

[Warliter]

For adding polls, I meant going forward unless an admin wants to create one and add all the comments to it

[inyati]

digital said:

The general procedure is to have a verdict within 48-72hours. I generally try to stick to that unless there are not enough votes, at which point I message the applicant apologising for the long wait and saying that we are still deliberating.

Adding a poll would certainly make tallying up the decisions easier. However I don't know how to add one when its not on the first post, generally a post is created saying sent and then the questionnaire is attached when it arrives, there's no point in voting just based on the name (except for well known dodgy players).

I don't agree with mandatory voting, it should be encouraged but by no means forced.

All threads regarding applications could be started off as a poll thread with just yes and no. Then the usualy posting can follow. People dont have to submit any votes at the start, untill the application form is filled in and submitted.
We could estabelish a required minimal number of votes required based on a medium number of forum dwellers.

[Clausewitz]

Inyati's proposal seconded!

[RapSO]

I like it as well!

[Cesium]

I don't know... It would make it too easy for people to simply click a button to express their opinion, without taking too much time to think about their vote, or explain their vote.

[RapSO]

That's true, we would have to rely on people actually explaining their vote, but I think it would be possible.