Need some Advice

[Null]

Posted this on the internal forum, figured I'd post it here as well.

Island: 43:3:20

Need some advice on this one (perhaps some diplo help, but will work on it a bit myself first).

I sent a colo at this unruled 5pt island last night. The colo attack had 5 cats with it, to ensure the MH got knocked down. Shortly before my colo hit, blackwater of pantheon colo'd the isle. He did NOT get the main house built up in time, my colo hit, cats destroyed the gold mine by 1 lvl, and I colo'd the isle succesfully. I was not online at the time, but his MH that was queued up finished shortly after I got the island. He mailed me, and when he didn't get a response right away, sent a cat attack at the isle (2 cats), knocking the house back to lvl1. Then he attempted another colo, which failed.

When I got up in the morning, I had an incoming colo attempt in 2 minutes by Fred-n-Fred, no cats, which succeeded, as the MH had been knocked down previsouly by blackwater.

There is currently another colo attempt with cats incoming to it in ~8hrs, so I'll see if Fred-n-Fred still has the isle after that, but basically blackwater believes he should have the isle back.

My own belief is because I was the first to build up the MH to 2, the isle was mine at that point, the details after that is just a matter of who may or may not get compensated by me.

What do you think?

[englishcheese]

Well, blackwater didnt put the mh up so the isle is righrfully yours. But as the isle was coloed by Fred-n-Fred, it would now be rightfully his.

I personally would be trying to get compen for my colo ship from Fred-n-Fred if he keeps the isle, and be giving no compen to blackwater.

Thats what I would personally do.

[Arminius]

But blackwater attempted to, as the MH was queued. And it wouldn't have mattered since you used cats. Why not send a colo without cats and a spy, and then a separate fleet with cats if you find the MH has been built up? Or even send them at the same time, so that the knock-down fleet arrives earlier, and somebody who gets there before you can build up the MH. Less certain, but ethically sound.

[kae]

From the internal

Beast
4 hours ago
In my opinion the isle is yours. If someone owns a 5 point isle and youve taken it cos the house is still on level one ......thats a mistake they need to learn from.

Cesium
4 hours ago
I hate to say this, but perhaps you could just take one for the team. Honestly, I don't think there are many of us who want a war with Pantheon, and tensions are too high already. You may be in the right, but perhaps you should let this slide in the intrest of keeping out of a war.

blazed
2 hours ago
I agree with Cesium, and honestly what are you doing sending cats close to an unkowned isle, seriously... what are the chance of it being owned by the time u get there

[SkulkrinBait]

Don't send cats to unowneds, it's bad manners.

;D

[englishcheese]

I never send catas with any of my colo ships, apart from in war time.

When a prebuilt isle pops up i send a cata fleet and a colo fleet.

[RapSO]

arminius said:

But blackwater attempted to, as the MH was queued. And it wouldn't have mattered since you used cats. Why not send a colo without cats and a spy, and then a separate fleet with cats if you find the MH has been built up? Or even send them at the same time, so that the knock-down fleet arrives earlier, and somebody who gets there before you can build up the MH. Less certain, but ethically sound.

I did this very recently and made a friend because I left a space of 1 hour between my cata fleet and my colo fleet. That way any person who might take the isle before me might have the MH leveled, but there would also be time to build it up again before my colo fleet hit.

I guess the point is, don't send cats with the colo fleet

[Arminius]

But then don't send merchants with the cat fleet, or there are no resources left to build the house

[RapSO]

That's a given

[Null]

while I agree with these sentiments of don't send cats with the colo fleet, also keep in mind, the cats did 0 damage to the MH, so even with 0 cats in this case, the result would have been the same.

I'll see how it goes, the current owner of the isle (3rd man in) has relinquished all claim to it, and left it to me and the first guy to work out who should over colo him.

[Null]

So I assume from the general feel of the responses to this, I won't be getting any diplomatic help on regaining the isle? blackwater sent me a mail this morning laying claim to the isle, and will provide 50% of a colo ship, then informed me 30 minutes later (hadn't read any mail yet) he had sent another colo ship at it. While this may be the final outcome (him with the isle), his methods of going about it have really pissed me off, and I'm mulling over the options.

[SkulkrinBait]

hafbaked said:

So I assume from the general feel of the responses to this, I won't be getting any diplomatic help on regaining the isle? blackwater sent me a mail this morning laying claim to the isle, and will provide 50% of a colo ship, then informed me 30 minutes later (hadn't read any mail yet) he had sent another colo ship at it. While this may be the final outcome (him with the isle), his methods of going about it have really pissed me off, and I'm mulling over the options.

I think you were wrong to send cats but, they didn't make any difference in the end as you got the island while the MH was level 1.

What do you think a fair outcome should be then?

[Null]

skulkrinbait said:

I think you were wrong to send cats but, they didn't make any difference in the end as you got the island while the MH was level 1.

What do you think a fair outcome should be then?

From my point of view, the cats don't really factor into it. I thought it was a fairly accepted viewpoint among the group that if you colo'd over someone without cats before they got the MH up, you'd keep that isle. To me, that is what this situation is. If it was a 1pt isle, I'd never have had the cats on board. So if that was the case, and this happened, what would be the general view on it?

Sorry if I'm sounding like an Culo!, right now I'm just more annoyed about him assuming it was his to take, without any discussion, and sending another colo at it!

[SkulkrinBait]

But the MH was only level 1 when Fred n Fred took it, have I understood right? You should get a colony ship worth of compensation from blackwater.

Does this sound right?

You could also let Fred n Fred know what happened and ask him for compensation as well, although he's not obliged to give anything I don't think, but it would be fair under the circumstances.

Tricky one!

[Null]

I'd agree. Though Fred-n-Fred has actually washed his hands of the entire thing, and said he does'nt want the isle or anything else out of it. So he has it currently, but has left it up to me and blackwater to colonize/decide what the outcome will be.

So it comes down to who has more claim on it, myself or blackwater, I guess.