Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Aug 12, 2007 23:16:31 GMT
"War, war never changes. The end of the word occurred just pretty much as we'd predicted..."
Heh... No, I am not predicting end of the world...
But a war due to pride and honor, sucks. And this time, it's going to have to be war due to CC or no war at all. And CC just seems not worth the effort. Yes, Pantheon has been really annoying, setting time limits and demands, but this should not be about that.
It's a fraggin weakness if one has to stand-up for every challenge and insult thrown at. If one has to prove superiority all the time one is not superior at all.
Don't get me wrong i think we would just wipe the floor with them, but trust me, it not going to be the last opportunity.
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Freiegeister
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Post by Freiegeister on Aug 13, 2007 0:21:09 GMT
I think their time for action has passed, they should have hit hard and fast if they were going to do this. Disorganisation and indecisiveness has saved the day for CC as much as their fear of the Morkin war machine. Still, CC should meet them halfway with an apology and post the result here ASAP, as we cannot defend the indefensible. But a war due to pride and honor, sucks. And this time, it's going to have to be war due to CC or no war at all. And CC just seems not worth the effort. Yes, Pantheon has been really annoying, setting time limits and demands, but this should not be about that. If this was about whether CC was worth protecting then he/she would have been out the door last week for not disclosing all the facts. This is more about differentiating ourselves from those who would condone destroying a player for mere insults. If we were in Pantheon's situation we would not be calling for CCs total destruction. By accepting their demands we would become a party to that. This is precisely the issue with Pantheon. They want to destroy CC simply because they think showing leniency is weakness. They want to project an early impression of being strong and I'm all for exposing them as weak. No, but that is the nature of the game and they are more likely to target DIGG due to their score. The thing is an early psychological loss like this could cause splinters within the alliance and neutralise them for now.
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Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Aug 13, 2007 2:00:08 GMT
If this was about whether CC was worth protecting then he/she would have been out the door last week for not disclosing all the facts. Whole issue was hugely blurred due to both CC and Pantheon not talking clearly or at all. So we couldn't make the call whether he was worthy or not. Now it seems he is not. (Three days without forum posts) This is more about differentiating ourselves from those who would condone destroying a player for mere insults. If we were in Pantheon's situation we would not be calling for CCs total destruction. By accepting their demands we would become a party to that. If he would have been, say, a week in KoM, or requested a sanctuary in the first place in his application, i would agree. However he did not. Magically he appeared here just when he was about to be obliterated. Lied or didn't know, the conclusion is just the same. This is precisely the issue with Pantheon. They want to destroy CC simply because they think showing leniency is weakness. They want to project an early impression of being strong and I'm all for exposing them as weak. I'm not sure this isn't the case with us either.
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Freiegeister
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Post by Freiegeister on Aug 13, 2007 3:47:03 GMT
This is precisely the issue with Pantheon. They want to destroy CC simply because they think showing leniency is weakness. They want to project an early impression of being strong and I'm all for exposing them as weak. I'm not sure this isn't the case with us either. I think we're beyond that having earned a reputation over the last few years. We do now have some ability to pick our battles and could have stopped this before we got involved - but we didn't. It is probably inevitable that CC will not last in KoM as I don't think we should harbour someone who's attitude increasingly appears to be: KoM should evict him if they feel it is justified; but knowing that it would most likely lead to CCs account being destroyed. In saying that, CCs fate is in his hands.
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Natmus
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Post by Natmus on Aug 13, 2007 7:44:32 GMT
C'mon, Mads, at least say "Honour". Going to war over "pride" is a pursuit in vanity... The only ones using the word honour (or honor) are Pantheon. Usually I distrust anyone using the term. Other than that, I agree with Frei on the above debate. Our standing up for CC is not so much standing up for CC, but standing up against the way Pantheon behaves.
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Sol
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Post by Sol on Aug 13, 2007 9:02:41 GMT
Eh. Tricky.
I also agree with Frei+Natmus. Perhaps we can find CC an alliance that would protect him?
But either way...I can't help but feel that CC is asking for this (lack of response/interest for his own problem?).
Although kicking CC might taint our "honor" ? whatever you want to call it. It still doesn't change the fact that we can beat their Culo!. Better for us. They might underestimate us and when they do decide to be stupid and wage war, we will be victorious. MWAHAHAHAHA
But, overall, I think we should also set a deadline for ourselves. This conflict has been going on waayyy too long.
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digital
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Post by digital on Aug 13, 2007 9:06:23 GMT
Eh. Tricky. I also agree with Frei+Natmus. Perhaps we can find CC an alliance that would protect him? But either way...I can't help but feel that CC is asking for this (lack of response/interest for his own problem?). Although kicking CC might taint our "honor" ? whatever you want to call it. It still doesn't change the fact that we can beat their Culo!. Better for us. They might underestimate us and when they do decide to be stupid and wage war, we will be victorious. MWAHAHAHAHA But, overall, I think we should also set a deadline for ourselves. This conflict has been going on waayyy too long. I set a deadline on 00:00gmt Wednesday.
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Sol
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Post by Sol on Aug 13, 2007 9:38:54 GMT
Have you informed CC? Maybe he'll do something? lol
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digital
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Post by digital on Aug 13, 2007 9:49:19 GMT
Yeah I sent a mail to CC, Skulk and eproxy about it.
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SkulkrinBait
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Aug 13, 2007 11:05:00 GMT
I'm on it, give me those 48/60 hours from now and if I can't get it resolved by then you can kick CC and call me Susan.
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SkulkrinBait
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Aug 13, 2007 11:17:47 GMT
Now he's insinuating that I am a liar:
I don't know why he'd be trying to talk to me on MSN "all weekend" as I only got his MSN details on Sunday. However, this wouldn't contribute to the discussion so I let it lie.
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Post by Dalfiatach on Aug 13, 2007 12:35:40 GMT
*descends, Godlike, from the mountain*
OK. Pantheon are a bunch of mouthy kids trying to act the big hard man. Their communications have been rude, occasionally hostile, full of bravado and veiled threat. We do not accept ultimatums from other, lesser, alliances. A spanking is in order.
On the other hand, CC lied on his application form, has an attitude problem, is barely active, has made no effort whatsoever to help himself in this regard, and simply isn't Morkin material. His attitude and inaction have brought Morkin to the edge of a war none of us are interested in fighting - and he's only been here a week!
Therefore, I propose the following.
We kick CC and level his main for jerking the alliance about, then tell Pantheon we have exected justice in our own way and if they want to make any more of it, bring it on.
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Post by eproxy on Aug 13, 2007 16:14:17 GMT
Issue resolved.
The power of words.
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Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Aug 13, 2007 17:57:31 GMT
Oh dear... He did it!
Now lets kick him ;D
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Post by captiancadaver on Aug 13, 2007 18:21:15 GMT
Ouch......
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