Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Jan 26, 2007 13:16:15 GMT
I think its not time for Ultimatums... Id like to point out that... - We still have no plan.
- Is it Fishcult vs LOKI at first?
- Is it MX & Allies vs Us & Allies next?
- Where are the plans for that?
- We have only ridicculous amount of entries in the fleets database so far.
- Propaganda messages needs to be ready.
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SkulkrinBait
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Jan 26, 2007 15:49:41 GMT
Ok, who wants to organise this?
1st phase is Fishcult vs Loki but we do need to plan in case it escalates.
Any volunteers?
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Post by fishcult on Jan 26, 2007 16:21:56 GMT
Last string of messages regarding Loki:
To Mer
From Mer
To Mer
From Mer
To Mer
From Mer
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Warliter
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Post by Warliter on Jan 26, 2007 16:32:19 GMT
I say take the island and offer Loki 1/2 coloship and a ceasefire, if not agreed within 12 hours of you coloing isle, smash another Isle
;D ;D
I will be online from 10:30pm tonight, if no-one has I will start working on a plan to take MX if it escalates
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Natmus
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Post by Natmus on Jan 26, 2007 17:27:38 GMT
The obvious reason Loki hasn't got any reports of doing anything but taking down the main house is that the isle was raided for some time before it became free. Xanadu of SoH, the previous owner, became inavtive before christmas, and the defenses were taken down for raiding around New Years.
I'm bored of this thing as well, let's level Loki. If Mer and Troian doesn't care he lies to them that's all right. However, lying to us is reason enough to go to war.
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2kcastle
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Post by 2kcastle on Jan 26, 2007 18:00:20 GMT
Agreed, as far as i can see the only thing that needs discussing is do we take loki's isles or save the colo ships until we know if mx are going to fight about it ?
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Natmus
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Post by Natmus on Jan 26, 2007 18:56:18 GMT
I say we save them for later. First we do the limited action, and let them do the escalating.
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Harlequin
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Post by Harlequin on Jan 26, 2007 19:48:42 GMT
So it's all out war against [MX] then, or just at Loki? Without wishing to appear "yellow", are we ready for this? If we accepted the compensation, made good the difference to Fishcult from our own pockets (as Shendo suggested) then what will we have gained/lost? Fishcult has his resources (but not his island), we have been firm (but are not at war) and potentially we could follow up the "settlement" with the offer of closer ties in the future. Of course, [MX] could just leave Loki out to dry but they've shown no willingness to do so thus far. Listen, I'm quite happy to support anything that we do, but I wonder if it's the right time to do this. If I've missed some caustic breach of IK etiquette here and utter destruction of Loki is the only response then accept my noobish apologies now
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2kcastle
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Post by 2kcastle on Jan 26, 2007 20:06:33 GMT
We have to show that we are not going to be messed about and that we will stand up for our friends. If we give in now mx will be boasting that we backed down over loki catting isles from us and before you know it every alliance in the game is looking to do the same, while its true that we cant fight everybody all the time. I think that if we show we are prepared to use force against anyone who is aggressive towards us, along with the fact that all of us are prepared to get involved compared to most alliances where few members are willing to fight it will act as a deterrent. make an example of loki and people will be much less likely to try for our isles.
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SkulkrinBait
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Jan 26, 2007 20:31:22 GMT
For War:
Loki stole an island from one of our members using cats. We need to act in case word gets out that Morkin/FoM don't defend their members. Loki forged a battle report to back up his claim on the island. The MX admins promised to kick him and never did. The MX admins are rather arrogant, rude and threatening. We can possibly keep this to a small scale conflict and use it to split MX.
Against:
It's a war, we may take losses or even lose! -S- might help MX We're a peaceful alliance. MX have offered compensation (albeit quite a derisory amount) The time isn't right, but then again when is the right time to consider war?
That's it in my opinion, will post my ideas a bit later.
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Natmus
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Post by Natmus on Jan 26, 2007 20:47:19 GMT
Latest scouting, Loki is building up stoners on the isle (also put in the database)
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SkulkrinBait
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Jan 26, 2007 20:50:15 GMT
1. Fishcult or I will issue a carefully worded final ultimatum with a deadline. This will request Loki evacuates all forces he can from the island in question and then Fishcult will take it. In return Fishcult will pay some compensation to Loki to make up for his lost colony ship - the exact amount is still to be decided.
2. If the deadline is not met (and we are not going to be fobbed off here) then Fishcult is free to launch attacks on Loki and attempt to take the island with force.
3. If any MX members retaliate, they will be fair game for Morkin/FoM/Corleth members. I suggest we only attack with equal numbers, so if 1 MX joins in, 1 member from our side retaliates. Of course we can pick and choose who gets the action, our strongest members near to the scene would be ideal.
4. If things escalate so more than the odd MX member is involved, we then target Mer and Troain as primary targets.
5. As we aren't planning on this becomming a full scale war it's tough to make exact plans, we can't spy for example. However there are a couple of things we can do:
a) All members must check their local vicinity and post in the forums which MX members are close and how many islands they have. They should also include their fleet strengths and island dispositions (stone wall size etc) so we can plan at very short notice if things escalate.
Everyone should also post their ETA to Mer and Troains main islands.
How does that sound for a basic plan?
I know that Digg and Orc have both pledged they will help us if this does turn into an alliance war.
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Natmus
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Post by Natmus on Jan 26, 2007 21:01:08 GMT
I agree. Loki can use the LWS to get off the stoners, and build merchies to transport the resources to fishcult, then let fishcult fleetsteal the isle.
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Harlequin
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Post by Harlequin on Jan 26, 2007 21:02:26 GMT
Ok, I just wanted to put forward the position of the "Doves" and then hear from the "Hawks" The carefully worded ultimatum (is that an oximoron?) is a good idea. Then if they refuse/renege it's their choice to bring the sky down on their heads. Therefore I totally support this course of action and all of its implications. Near me and Natmus Island Name Malaz Town Position 1:17:2 Ruler Ammanas Score 8 Island Name the lament puzzle Position 1:18:17 Ruler vassago Score 47 6 hours to Mer's main 8.5 hours to Troian's main I'm off-line tonight and most of the weekend - so feel free to "put your hand on my tiller" if there's action
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Post by bishop on Jan 26, 2007 21:09:13 GMT
I agree—we need to make it clear to them just how seriously we're taking this. Perhaps a few spy reports could be a wise tactic?
If it does turn to war, I suggest we have plans in place to take Troian and Mer's main isles very quickly. Neither of them have been quick to colonise, and their other isles are all underdeveloped. They will be almost powerless without their main isles, and it will send a message to the rest of their alliance.
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