digital
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Winter is Coming
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Post by digital on Oct 14, 2007 0:54:00 GMT
I'm of the school of thought that this game has stagnated.
When I signed up I was under the impression that things would move a bit faster than they have.
I joined Luxor (FoM) because of the prestige bestowed by eproxy. A prestige that I have accepted and nurtured in a sense.
Like many members I have become tired and bored, being an admin is hard work and I have to deal with arseholes like lemonion.
Orc actually play the game right, they choose a set of rules that amuse them most, what is a game but time to amuse oneself?
I plan on doing something interesting over the next 3 weeks that may not be within the Morkin mantra. Perceive this as you will.
I however have a few suggestions to make:
KoM be abandoned - Recently it has been proved that it doesn't work (LIG for example and information leeks). Pick the good members promote them to Luxor and have done with KoM.
Make a stand - the orc business is a farce, they talk of honour we talk of honour, stop protecting your LWS and launch them. Stand up for the honourable, let actions speak louder than words. If they roleplay as Orcs, I roleplay as a Bastardo! of Winterfell, I join the wall knowing I shall never take a woman and fight until I am cold as the winter to come.
Nothing would make me happier than to stay part of the Morkin family, I've invested in this account and would like to carry on but the honour of Morkin is at stake.
I'd also like to make it known that I do not think Sol should suicide her account, she is a nice person and should continue enjoying the game as she sees fit.
(Please do not move this thread, it was posted here for a reason).
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Sol
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Post by Sol on Oct 14, 2007 1:19:36 GMT
Awwwww Thanks digital...but you seem to share my same feelings. I am also bored, so I plan to do something about it. Maybe I won't completely quit, but I don't mind destroying my account. Like I've said many times before. I can rebuild. There are always island here...at least thats what I'm fighting for anyway. Digital...you should join me and Ashimar on our little quest... And, just for the record. I came here to have fun too...so I'm making my fun lol. I'd love to die with the Morkin tag though...
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Clausewitz
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Veni. Vidi. Vici. Mori.
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Post by Clausewitz on Oct 14, 2007 3:46:26 GMT
I get the feeling this is just PTSD. I'm serious.
Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.
The Great War was spectacular. It was an Old West Gunfight. Peak period of activity.
Now we have returned to the same sort of peace that existed before it. Lots of standoffs, very few actual fights. What is different today than when ES and DIGG dominated the server prior to the Great War? How is it any more stagnant now than it was prior to the Great War?
I fear that many of us are getting sucked into the "instant-gratification" desires that DIGGers are so prone to, and the reason why DIGG is constantly seeking wars. That runs contrary to many of the core Morkin values (as I have come to understand them), and poses a fundamental, philosophical threat to our cohesion as a family.
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AeroS
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Post by AeroS on Oct 14, 2007 4:06:21 GMT
Dumping KoM would be a mistake. It has wheels and is starting to roll. I don't see the stagnation that others are talking about. However, I do see an end to the games competitive potential because of the mega alliances on the server right now. That problem will not be solved by restructuring the family.
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Sol
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Post by Sol on Oct 14, 2007 4:44:36 GMT
I think its called: I'm Bored of Building Godly Fleets That I Can't Use Against a Worthy Target Because My Alliance Is Too Scared to Lose Their Place in the Rankings Disorder. Which! is understandable...it is. It is not a matter of "instant-gratification" though. If I wanted that I would have been in a conflict with a DIGGer loong time ago. What I don't understand is what we're waiting for...we have a target, we have a proper reason (we don't even need to have a reason because war is war...like i said somewhere before, we are gods, we don't need to feel that we're right...we are right). I mean, if we let DIGG live they'll kill the fun. They're already killing the fun. This mega-alliance thing is a pain in the Culo!. I understand Clause's position. I do. But my question to you Clause is, what are your plans for the future? For yourself and the alliance? I constantly get the feeling that trying to persuade people here is pointless (so I'm going to stop). And I am getting tired of justifying my actions and then having someone tell me to wait for some "future" plan that is never coming. I understand you guys disagree and would rather see me wait...but I can't wait till Christmas when DIGG will be even more stronger. I've found it quite pointless now. I figure most of you are planning to maintain you godly fleets untouched forever...which is fine. It's your account, I won't tell anyone how to play their game. The only thing I hope for is for my suicide to help you guys in some way. As for KoM, I don't necessarily see anything wrong with it as an alliance. But I think Morkin should strop growing because it slows down our decision making process and makes the forums a lot more confusing. We practically have the same threads in both the Luxor and KoM section which makes things messy because I feel like I'm posting things twice and I've got to read double. Additionally, we're becoming a bit more like DIGG and I'm not very comfortable with that either. I liked the "smallness" of our group because things seemed WAY more efficient then. Right now I feel like we're having 10 pages of forum discussion about what we're going to wear if we ever decide to meet DIGG. EDIT: I realize that since I may be leaving the game...then maybe my "suggestions" don't really matter. But I'm just throwing it all out there as a final contribution before my lonely departure.
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digital
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Winter is Coming
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Post by digital on Oct 14, 2007 8:38:46 GMT
I agree with Sol, 10 page discussions on small things like what colour the Alliance sofa should be.
The forums are too big and have too many boards, they should be sorted and archived.
I don't think its PTSD, I really didn't have much to do with the E|S war I launched a couple of fleets and colo'd a few isles but that was it.
I've not got a huge amount of isles because I really can't be arsed with catching a tsunami isle day after day.
Bah these are just my thoughts and if I have to move elsewhere to get action then I don't mind.
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SkulkrinBait
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Oct 14, 2007 9:11:01 GMT
Drama queens! IK has always been like this, you get a big war then a long period of quiet and then another war.
We're currently not far off the next big war so be patient, before the end of November, probably the end of October things will kick off again.
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Clausewitz
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Post by Clausewitz on Oct 14, 2007 12:11:14 GMT
Skulkrinbait hit the nail on the head. All my contacts in Pantheon indicate "Our membership is surprisingly eager for a fight, as soon as the 30-days is up (just a week now), we're going to find the first pretense we can to throw everything we can at DIGG".
A suicide is fruitless. Look at the mass-ES-suicide. Did they accomplish anything? They hurt a few DIGGers. Their islands fell to DIGG. DIGG recovered within a month, and had more islands for it.
You're better off letting your islands sink than throwing your fleets at them (defender advantage) and giving them claim to your islands. You would do more to deprive DIGG islands that way.
What, Sol, will the suicide of a single account (or all of Corleth for that matter) accomplish in a tactical or strategic sense? It has been done before on a larger scale, and only served DIGG's purposes.
Tactically and strategically, a few weeks of patience before a precision strike on phil299, meatpopsicle, Lane, etc., would accomplish far more if the goal is to deal a heavy blow to DIGG.
To answer your "What are your plans for the future; yourself and the alliance?" question: 1. My plans for myself are to continue to maintain a top account, and continue to refine my warfighting skills. To assert myself in wars when I can fight in a united manner with competent friends, and lash out precision strikes with advantageous timing in a way to bend my adversaries to my will. That is the object in any war game. 2. My goals for the alliance (rather, what I would prefer) is for Morkin to continue to maintain it's honor, provide a haven for those who do not wish to get preyed upon by the mega-alliances (either by coercion to join or having their islands taken), and remain true to the fundamental values we espouse.
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eproxy
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Post by eproxy on Oct 14, 2007 14:42:18 GMT
Inselkampf has always been like this - I've played the game a total of 3 years (2 on IKUK, 1 on IK.com) and only been part of maybe 3 large wars (and probably another 3 small ones). Thats only one a year - the rest of the time is spent building up massive fleets and just getting by.
Think of Ruku - his account is the same size but has around half my LWS count. Even if we, and every other IK player, builds fleets as normal they still only grow at the same rate (for the same isle count). So Ruku will always have 10k LWS less than me no matter how fast he think he's growing (closing in the LWS gap would open up a gap in say Cat numbers). The only way for that gap to close without widening another one is to wait for your competition to lose their fleets (due to war or clearing isles (ie. colo-whores - timing is critical for this one)).
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Sol
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Post by Sol on Oct 14, 2007 19:02:30 GMT
Fine I understand. Then I'm the one with the problem. I don't feel like waiting for Pantheon and DIGG to go to war at the end of this month so that we can step in 2 weeks later and pick up the crumbs. Meh I came here to have fun, so I am taking initiative. I've spent a lot of time on IK, but I am not terribly emotionally attached to my account. It is just an account after all. It's just a game and I can always rebuild. My version of fun is then very...demented. I'm sorry that my hotheadedness does not go well with Morkin's plans. I've had a great time in this alliance. But, I suppose it is time for me to move on. Anyway, I don't want any of you guys to be negatively affected by my actions so before I do anything with my account I'll be leaving the alliance. I'll also be informing my admins so that everything is clear. I don't intend to cause confusion or stress.
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Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Oct 14, 2007 19:54:41 GMT
People, you need to learn how to hibernate and wait for the "good times".
Log in once a week and set the isles to build 44 LWS etc. Only read the news threads. etc.
But what comes to our position, we are not making war just because we fear dropping in the rankings. Its insulting even to say something like that and you should know better.
We are holding back because its just plain stupid to spill out the beans just before WW2 starts. We do not start war because some people are bored. Or because we could mutilate alliance that is 1/50th of our size. Its just not our way.
Rest assured, there will be war, and meanwhile, prepare for it.
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eproxy
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Post by eproxy on Oct 15, 2007 11:21:46 GMT
If you intend to play Inselkampf for fun (why else would anyone play a 'game') then you have to think about how you get enjoyment out of it. Suiciding on PlayerX will always give a short, albeit refreshing burst of fun but it will only ever be that - short. Then you start to see the red bars and realise you have either a). no fleets left to do anything with or b). facing too many enemy players to consider it anyway. But like I said you will get some fun out of this method. Suiciding has the unfortunate side-effect of losing your entire account, unless you can get an account off someone whom is quitting then you'll never amass another set of isles nearly as good as your current ones - unless of course you aren't looking to carry on playing.
Or you can bide your time till a war starts - this way, which admittedly might take longer to develop, will mean you can fight along side your allies and with the state of Morkin we'll put up a fight in which we won't definately lose. These wars tend to be more protracted and hence instigate more enjoyment.
Regardless of how attached people are to their accounts (I view 'eproxy' as more of a commodity owned by me than something which is inherently 'mine') suiciding will be just that - suicide. It has about as much effect as todays suicide bombers; a few people may/will die but at the end of the day you just make the targets more resiliant. Another reason for waiting for a war is of course the larger fleets, you may indeed seek the purpose of such fleets if you don't use them but thats where a war comes in. Believe me too, wars always come around eventually. I think before a large war I had 1.1k LWS/isle average - I then went and used them and had some jolly good fun co-ordinating strikes and watching the enemy feebly attempt re-colos, fleet steals and stoner drops.
Of course if you want to attack a player now (aka suicide) then that is your prerogative; no-one here will question your decisions/actions - we'd just ask you to wait so that you can fight with us as opposed to without us.
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Warliter
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Post by Warliter on Oct 15, 2007 12:25:40 GMT
Two bulls are sitting atop a hill looking down at a herd of cows The young bull turns to the older and says “come on lets charge down there and f*** ourselves a cow”
The older bull pauses a moment, then turns to the young bull and says “ No, lets walk down there and f*** them all”
The moral being why rush and only achieve a small victory, when you can take your time a get the whole herd.
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