Post by Aesir on Sept 30, 2007 6:34:17 GMT
This seemed pertinent.. but it's also 1:35am and I'm hammered drunk... so we'll see.
Received this via Digg's forum regarding the current state of affairs between Digg and Patheon sent to all the staff(which is funny since I'm still listed as staff.. lol). Enjoy if you can make through it all.
Received this via Digg's forum regarding the current state of affairs between Digg and Patheon sent to all the staff(which is funny since I'm still listed as staff.. lol). Enjoy if you can make through it all.
Edit/
To all Staff:
This thread, and everything you see is unchanged (save for this edit here) from the original versions posted. This includes the replies up until my last post. The sole reason I went to the higher ups first was to ensure they were good with it, before I unleashed this on you all. Please do not feel like something has been hidden from view with nefarious purposes. Releasing info too early can be detrimental, especially if things are not set.
For this all to work, we need to be unanimous on this. A concerted effort from ALL of DIGG will be essential. Please keep your comments to a minimum, and only post what you feel is essential. We have discussed this together to some extent, so I have an idea of what you guys feel and want. I promise nothing, and I feel this is our best shot towards shocking IK. This is not a final plan, it is a step. Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome - we will see how this affects IK and our foes, then work on the next step. Now back to the posts from yesterday.
Just spoke with Chaos (Jayrozzer) of Pantheon in reply to a small rant I laid on him.
I told him I'm close to quitting (not true).
My resolve in DIGG survival has only been tempered.
My initial message to him:
Quote
Okeanos is riding my Culo! over a simple issue. He's using it to flame me about DIGG & his own personal issues with DIGG.
I'm getting tired of it. I don't answer to Okeanos.
What the hell is going on over there? One guy says Pantheon has no intention of attacking DIGG, another says Pantheon will disband if DIGG disbands, someone else says DIGG must die.
What happened to my friend Jayrozzer?
It mystifies me that so many things have gone to Merda! in the past month. It's like I'm chasing shadows to make things right, only to be Merda! on again & again.
People complain that DIGG is destroying the server, yet have no concern they are driving decent people like myself closer to just quitting. Maybe that's the plan.
I didn't join up to be Merda! on all the time. I joined to play. My time is filled trying to fix problems. I don't even play anymore.
All I see from Pantheon on IK Forums are the same people with the same complaints, and their only solution is DIGG must die.
Is there anyone in Pantheon that is pro-DIGG anymore? Are you guys just waiting out the 30 days so you can destroy DIGG?
I did my best to help the smaller guys in IK. I did my best to keep DIGG from being a bully. Take me away from the equation, DIGG ain't gonna get nicer. The IK small fry will have one less person on their side.
His reply
Quote
Lem,
This message is so weird. I have resigned from my position as Admin in [Pantheon], and changed my name!!!
I did this minutes before your message.
I will be leaving soon. I will not cough up my guts and be a war mongerer, but I will tell you the reason that I have left. The alliance is one players plan to get rid of you guys. I will not sit here and make other people complete their goals, at the sake of everything I have ever believed.
I will not mention any names. I am happy to be back =)
Latest exchanges (bottom to top)
Quote
Jayrozzer
14 minutes ago
RE: RE: RE: Okeanos
I agree. [Pantheon] is an instrument, not an alliance.
It's members are not members, but tools in an ellaborate scheme.
Lemonion wrote:
----------
That's a ray of sunshine in an otherwise Merdoso! day.
I don't know who's behind it all but they are awful close to ruining this game for me.
I miss being able to play. Instead all I do is get yelled at.
I didn't join up to play InselArgue.
I get the feeling it's Clausewitz in cahoots with a few key members of Pantheon.
The time to close the doors at DIGG is now.
I want to know how many of you agree with my plan of total silence.
The plan is flexible, but my main points are
- total silence for an undetermined period of time. No IGMs (do not reply if received, except for a blanket statement "DIGG is undergoing a period of reflection. You will be advised on our status when we have made a decision"), No IK Forum posts (a statement will be released there as well). Our foes are baiting us with insults, arguements and supposition. False statements are being validated by any response we put out. If we stop responding, we stop giving them ammunition.
- No attacks, spying, farming, or any activity with those outside of DIGG. We preserve our resources for offensive and defensive capabilities. Existing Farms can be used unless the ruler complains. Then we apologize, and say we will stop - then we stop.
This would include the rulerless isles that will be popping up soon. That part is open to debate, but here's my take. Resources we expend on going for rulerless isles can be used for LWS, spears, archers, cats, and defenses. Going after the rulerless isles that pop up will cause colodisputes that need to be settled. Colodisputes will force IGMs and discussions, breaking our silence.
Going after rulerless isles will give our foes more ammunition to use against us to say we are colowhoring, taking more isles than required, etc... We want new isles? We'll take them from our foes during war. Let them take the isles, defend them, and expend resources building them up. We should focus on what we have. I want to disprove all accusations that we engineered this to take the isles that are going to go rulerless. This will be the toughest part for DIGG to accept - it won't be easy, and we will lose players. Also, the more isles Pantheon goes for, the more dissension there will be as they colo over each other. Let them deal with Morkin and their MH2 vs Clear BS. DIGG will not be there to take the spotlight off each other.
- Allies. We inform pacted allies we will support them if they are attacked. It is to be made clear that our silence is not ignoring them. If they have issues, they can contact a staffer. That IGM will be forwarded to staff, and a discussion on who, and what the reply should be will be made. Contact will be minimal with our allies. We inform them to confirm any rumours they hear about us, with us. Ensure that they know we are in contact with no one, and that anyone who says they have spoken to DIGG is likely lying. Let our foes show their lies and reduce their credibility.
Peace Treatied alliances get similar assurances, but less access to DIGG. A Peace Treaty is seen in two ways, a step up to or down from a Pact, an agreement not to act with aggression towards each other. We will not be active in any manner, so aggression will not be an issue.
The time to act is now. I understand Meatpopsicle is out until Monday, but I don't think we can wait for him. If you guys wish to have his input, I will understand. Regardless, I would like to see this decided so we can begin to determine our own destiny, not have it dictated to us by a puppet alliance.
I'm starting the poll here to see if we go to the next step - checking with all Staff. I have support from a few people so it won't be too hard to push it. Let's play to the momentum we have been given these past 2 days. Let's use the energy we have from our anger towards Pantheon and the Morkin Groups.
I'm tired of talking. I want some quiet and time to think.
To all Staff:
This thread, and everything you see is unchanged (save for this edit here) from the original versions posted. This includes the replies up until my last post. The sole reason I went to the higher ups first was to ensure they were good with it, before I unleashed this on you all. Please do not feel like something has been hidden from view with nefarious purposes. Releasing info too early can be detrimental, especially if things are not set.
For this all to work, we need to be unanimous on this. A concerted effort from ALL of DIGG will be essential. Please keep your comments to a minimum, and only post what you feel is essential. We have discussed this together to some extent, so I have an idea of what you guys feel and want. I promise nothing, and I feel this is our best shot towards shocking IK. This is not a final plan, it is a step. Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome - we will see how this affects IK and our foes, then work on the next step. Now back to the posts from yesterday.
Just spoke with Chaos (Jayrozzer) of Pantheon in reply to a small rant I laid on him.
I told him I'm close to quitting (not true).
My resolve in DIGG survival has only been tempered.
My initial message to him:
Quote
Okeanos is riding my Culo! over a simple issue. He's using it to flame me about DIGG & his own personal issues with DIGG.
I'm getting tired of it. I don't answer to Okeanos.
What the hell is going on over there? One guy says Pantheon has no intention of attacking DIGG, another says Pantheon will disband if DIGG disbands, someone else says DIGG must die.
What happened to my friend Jayrozzer?
It mystifies me that so many things have gone to Merda! in the past month. It's like I'm chasing shadows to make things right, only to be Merda! on again & again.
People complain that DIGG is destroying the server, yet have no concern they are driving decent people like myself closer to just quitting. Maybe that's the plan.
I didn't join up to be Merda! on all the time. I joined to play. My time is filled trying to fix problems. I don't even play anymore.
All I see from Pantheon on IK Forums are the same people with the same complaints, and their only solution is DIGG must die.
Is there anyone in Pantheon that is pro-DIGG anymore? Are you guys just waiting out the 30 days so you can destroy DIGG?
I did my best to help the smaller guys in IK. I did my best to keep DIGG from being a bully. Take me away from the equation, DIGG ain't gonna get nicer. The IK small fry will have one less person on their side.
His reply
Quote
Lem,
This message is so weird. I have resigned from my position as Admin in [Pantheon], and changed my name!!!
I did this minutes before your message.
I will be leaving soon. I will not cough up my guts and be a war mongerer, but I will tell you the reason that I have left. The alliance is one players plan to get rid of you guys. I will not sit here and make other people complete their goals, at the sake of everything I have ever believed.
I will not mention any names. I am happy to be back =)
Latest exchanges (bottom to top)
Quote
Jayrozzer
14 minutes ago
RE: RE: RE: Okeanos
I agree. [Pantheon] is an instrument, not an alliance.
It's members are not members, but tools in an ellaborate scheme.
Lemonion wrote:
----------
That's a ray of sunshine in an otherwise Merdoso! day.
I don't know who's behind it all but they are awful close to ruining this game for me.
I miss being able to play. Instead all I do is get yelled at.
I didn't join up to play InselArgue.
I get the feeling it's Clausewitz in cahoots with a few key members of Pantheon.
The time to close the doors at DIGG is now.
I want to know how many of you agree with my plan of total silence.
The plan is flexible, but my main points are
- total silence for an undetermined period of time. No IGMs (do not reply if received, except for a blanket statement "DIGG is undergoing a period of reflection. You will be advised on our status when we have made a decision"), No IK Forum posts (a statement will be released there as well). Our foes are baiting us with insults, arguements and supposition. False statements are being validated by any response we put out. If we stop responding, we stop giving them ammunition.
- No attacks, spying, farming, or any activity with those outside of DIGG. We preserve our resources for offensive and defensive capabilities. Existing Farms can be used unless the ruler complains. Then we apologize, and say we will stop - then we stop.
This would include the rulerless isles that will be popping up soon. That part is open to debate, but here's my take. Resources we expend on going for rulerless isles can be used for LWS, spears, archers, cats, and defenses. Going after the rulerless isles that pop up will cause colodisputes that need to be settled. Colodisputes will force IGMs and discussions, breaking our silence.
Going after rulerless isles will give our foes more ammunition to use against us to say we are colowhoring, taking more isles than required, etc... We want new isles? We'll take them from our foes during war. Let them take the isles, defend them, and expend resources building them up. We should focus on what we have. I want to disprove all accusations that we engineered this to take the isles that are going to go rulerless. This will be the toughest part for DIGG to accept - it won't be easy, and we will lose players. Also, the more isles Pantheon goes for, the more dissension there will be as they colo over each other. Let them deal with Morkin and their MH2 vs Clear BS. DIGG will not be there to take the spotlight off each other.
- Allies. We inform pacted allies we will support them if they are attacked. It is to be made clear that our silence is not ignoring them. If they have issues, they can contact a staffer. That IGM will be forwarded to staff, and a discussion on who, and what the reply should be will be made. Contact will be minimal with our allies. We inform them to confirm any rumours they hear about us, with us. Ensure that they know we are in contact with no one, and that anyone who says they have spoken to DIGG is likely lying. Let our foes show their lies and reduce their credibility.
Peace Treatied alliances get similar assurances, but less access to DIGG. A Peace Treaty is seen in two ways, a step up to or down from a Pact, an agreement not to act with aggression towards each other. We will not be active in any manner, so aggression will not be an issue.
The time to act is now. I understand Meatpopsicle is out until Monday, but I don't think we can wait for him. If you guys wish to have his input, I will understand. Regardless, I would like to see this decided so we can begin to determine our own destiny, not have it dictated to us by a puppet alliance.
I'm starting the poll here to see if we go to the next step - checking with all Staff. I have support from a few people so it won't be too hard to push it. Let's play to the momentum we have been given these past 2 days. Let's use the energy we have from our anger towards Pantheon and the Morkin Groups.
I'm tired of talking. I want some quiet and time to think.