MORC?

[Arminius]

DD have expressed a desire for closer ties, and I arranged a new-style 'Friendship' with them. Scotty seems a reasonable person. They generally seem to be on our side rather than the Triad's.

[SkulkrinBait]

clausewitz said:

SUPERPOWER (on a level of their own):
DIGG

1st World (capable of immense power projection globally):
Pantheon
Morkin+
Triad
Valheru?

2nd World (capable of moderate power projection, mostly regionally):
Orcs
Empire/PAIN/DD/E||M
Lamb
Ghost
Angel

3rd World (no notable offensive force):
The Rest

There's the list, for the most part...

You put Morkin in the same bracket as Pantheon and,sniff, Valheru?

;D

[Clausewitz]

I was torn on Valheru. They are probably between 1st and 2nd World

[digital]

Lemonion
21 minutes ago
RE: RE: Peace Treaty
Cool, thanks for the reassurance.

I've been jumpy lately from all the new developments in IK.

Cheers!

digital wrote:
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Hi,

We have nothing against digg. We have the same policy as the rest of Morkin, we are a peaceful alliance therefore peace treaties are not needed.

Rest assure we have nothing against digg.

Regards,
digital

Lemonion wrote:
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cc: eproxy; Fingal; RapSO; digital

Did you guys drop the Peace Treaty with DIGG, or was it never there?

Just noticed.

I am checking around to see what people have in relation to Pantheon, and noticed that it our Peace Treaty with you guys is not reciprocated.

Does KoM have a grievance against DIGG?
If so, is it something we can resolve?

regards,
Lemonion

Seems a bit jumpy

[AeroS]

He should be jumpy. DIGG doesn't deserve a pact with...... I wrote alot more but thought better of it and will rant loudly in my own room where none of you can hear me.

[Arminius]

No, don't censor yourself. Everybody's opinion counts. And I mean it.

[AeroS]

Well then... Am I alone in feeling that DIGG is on the verge of completely unbalancing this game? Will their membership numbers and island counts go on until they become the ruling government in this game?

They are known to have tools that pry into the very bones of this server and willingly manipulate the population with the DIGG.com website. All of these exterior resources along with the enormous member counts will mean that the deferential between first and second place will grow greatly in the next 2-3 months. In another 5-6 months they could launch another DIGG.com colo Puttana! campaign and do it all again. All the while, they do not promote or even subscribe to the morkin standard of peaceful expansion. I would go so far as to say that their 'Hands Off' policy of allowing members to target smaller players in smaller alliances flies in the face of what Morkin stands for.

They talk of improving relations but I think its time we took away our pact with them and wait for them to respond with an improved policy. If we wait for them to change while still holding our pact with them then we are promoting their cause.
DIGG is not a Morkin quality alliance.

[Sol]

@ Aeros Exalts man.

You're not the only ones that feels that way.

While I will admit that our current "friendship" with DIGG benefits us because we have no other "friends," this "friendship" won't last. Perhaps it's due to the fact that as DIGG expands their domain, the gap between us also does.

I've posted before that DIGG has yet to help us. Yes, you might argue that they've helped us in the MXPhoenixE|S war, but thing is, they wouldn't need to help us (plus give me the current account I have), if they hadn't summoned us to THEIR war. Yeah, it's nice to help out your pact...only if we are reassured that we will receive the same treatment in return. If it were not for the incredible skills of Clausewitz, I think we'd probably be left in the dark concerning DIGG's agenda (aka "DIGG effect").

I was speaking to vitamin_k today and he is expecting Morkin to jump in the war with them. I realize that we are a peaceful alliance so us going to war on our own is unlikely...and yet, I can't help but feel that we've become DIGG's war slave. They summon us, and we fight without question.

The only best way to separate ourselves from DIGG is by declaring ourselves neutral in the war that they've entered and start making friends with other alliances. They won't like it, I admit it...but eh...that's just my opinion.

Maybe it is time we start our own master agenda and stop finishing what DIGG was on theirs.

[Null]

I agree as well. Our ties with Digg very much limit our "abilities" on this server in the political sense.

Another thing to consider, is with this looming war, to modify a quote of a movie tagline

"Whoever wins, we lose win"

If this war happens, between Pantheon and Digg...whomever wins doesn't matter all that much. Both sides will have taken very heavy losses to achieve any type of victory. If we stay out, even if Pantheon wins, they won't be in much of a position to do much for awhile. If we've gathered some friendly support from the remaining alliances in the meantime (the E|M's, the D|D's, the Empire ect) we'll have no trouble holding them at bay should they try and take a shot at us. (maybe we could anyways, just saying)

[Clausewitz]

If Pantheon defeated DIGG, they'd proceed to break up. The only thing that is uniting them is a mutual hatred/mistrust/fear of DIGG, and when that threat is removed, they'll have trouble holding together so many diverse players.

Our biggest advantage is that everyone fears us. None on this server would antagonize a fight with us intentionally - even the Admins of DIGG and Pantheon combined would think long and hard, knowing our "decapitation" tactics, and our ability to eliminate the viability of the senior leadership's accounts - even if we lose the war in the process.

Self-preservation says that there is no Admin team on this server that would willfully target Morkin - assuming we do not stray from our principles.

[Natmus]

I feel much closer to DIGG than to those who feels DIGG is unbalancing the game. And that is because I think that DIGG actually behaves very, very well, considering their immense power.

If DIGG were inclined to do so, they could bully around in this game, and steal whatever isle they fancied from anyone. But they don't do so, their admins are mostly reasonable and willing to make concessions in disputes. I very much respect that.
In contrast, imagine just about any of the main characters now merged in Pantheon. Imagine how they would behave with DIGG's kind of power behind them. Imagine what kind of policies they would follow.
If you can't imagine it, let me spell it out for you: They would become instant bullies, arrogant and corrupt with power, and any small alliance would quickly be mincemeat, for no good reason other than the Pantheon guys wanted their isles. This server would be a very different place.

In a way I understand the motivations of the leaders of the Pantheon merge. They have these cravings of breaking the 'rule of law' that DIGG imposes on the server. They can't just go after the small guys like their nature is, so they feel constricted. But I think the example of the .uk server shows what they want: Isles consolidated into increasingly fewer and larger accounts.

[inyati]

I agree with the worst admin ever!

[Arminius]

Yes. Digg at least try to behave. And I guess they're far more diverse in membership than any other alliance, so to keep a lid on that must be hard work.

I suggest we try to use the current situation to further a reform of Digg, that they change certain of their policies (eg "once a Digg isle, always a Digg isle") etc. They probably know that without us fighting with them any war would be long and tough, and they can't justify that to their membership who'd suffer from a long war (as they're mostly smaller players).

[Clausewitz]

Hubris.

From the 1-island player, all the way up to the Admins.

I'm not saying it wouldn't change a few weeks into a tough war, but right now, DIGG believes they can defeat the entire server by themselves. Their leadership is completely dismissing Pantheon+ as a possible threat.

This does seem to be a reason why DIGG hasn't been very communicative - they don't believe they need anyone or anything anymore.

[blazed]

I'd very much enjoy sitting on the sideline and watching that one. They could be quite right, though should we throw our weight behind Pantheon as well