Fairwell [sic] ?

[Natmus]

GFY
6 minutes ago
Fairwell
Clausewitz;nottap;natmus;aja;majita;ares;Kingtom;azagh;loqtor;Otak_spittledung;okeanos;fhloop;gorbag

and whoever else you feel like sending it to.

im selling my account at 7pm tonight (US/eastern) to an undisclosed member of one of your alliances (you know who it is.)

regardless ide like to thank Lokim and the other orcs who created the lies saying i was trying to start a war with Angel and co. hahahahha, good one. i was being a good little orc and backing up Lokim who made the initial threat. I could swear that when i posted my message i sent to cowface on our forum everyone congradulated me on a good orcish message. (cough* assholes cough*.)

loqtor, azagh, otak, whipnash, ares, gorbag (you are exlcuded from the assholes group) it was a pleasure playing alongside you. maybe ill see you guys on world 3 since word 2 sucks a fat one.

oh and Kingtom, you've got some balls trying to steal an island at the buzzer. my last move will be flattening your island. learn how to time an attack jagass. 17 hour colo attempt when my islands are only 4 hours away. you should quit like i am. ill give you a penny for your island.

natmus, nottap, thanks for smashing some of my fleets and islands (always appreciated.)

good luck to all but always remember

GO Chiavata! YOURSELVES. (Orcs mentioned above not included)

The buyer is Chuck_Norris of Angel. Henning, Ryan and I all suspect that it's a multi account of the same player (GFY), but we can't prove it. He is asking that we don't attack anymore, other than the isles already cleared.
I'm not sure how to proceed from here.

[Shendemiar]

He made a bad deal, should ask for refund.

[2kcastle]

He can't buy an account thats being attacked and then whine.
He knew the account was being wiped out so nothings changed.

[eproxy]

Don't stop attacking; no offence but anyone who buys an account which is being attacked doesn't deserve any pity.

[Warliter]

sorry sold as seen , I don't see selling an account as any reason to stop attacking, if he wants to quit he should delete the account otherwise I would continue to flatten his isles. If chuck_Norris bought it without checking if attacks would be halted then (s)he's a fool that deserves to lose his isles

[Natmus]

There is just one thing: We were after the player, not the account or the isles. If we can't be sure it's the same player, do we have the right to continue attacking?

I think this question strikes at the core of our behaviour. If we have accomplished our goal of making GFY quit this game, then why continue attacking?

[Shendemiar]

He's just the type to claim new identity in case of trouble.

[Clausewitz]

I find the "I sold the account" claim highly dubious; not just in this instance, but in any instance when the account is under assault.

I will shed no tears when my 600 cats land in 30 minutes.

[eproxy]

Having recieved a mail from an old [Ares] friend whom is now an admin of [Angel] I honestly believe the account to have been sold. It has also been requested that we try to minimize the damage on the account.

When I wrote my earlier post I did originally write a bit extra about the new owner only buying because it'll be dirt cheap and that they would then try to salvage as much as possible. I deleted it since I wanted to keep my post short but I totally believe that to be what is happening.

Nonetheless I have been asked by an old friend and therefore rescind my opinion of total destruction (it was actually that we give the new owner no pity but they pretty much amount to the same thing). So how many isles will he be left with? Bearing in mind that no matter the answer I shall bear it, be it 1 or 10, or just so many as we can't be bothered taking.

Added; one of our original ideas was to leave him all his o13 isles, although thats a few too many to leave him perhaps^

[Natmus]

I have asked Aja to discover as much as possible if the new owner really is a new owner, including trying to discover an IP on the Angel forums. For now I reccommend that we take no action against new isles, but we can, if we will, take the already cleared isles.

[mmupatton]

As stated elsewhere, probably most in private messages, I not only suspect Chuck_Norris and GFY (now "Abel", as in "Cain & ...") to be the same person, but also a third account to be under the control of that player. No evidence, but I'm interested in any news regarding this.

Also, does the Orcs have a forum where an admin we can work with could check the IPs of two of their (former) members?

[Clausewitz]

Player
Name cain
Islands 1
Score 101
Rank 4014
Prestige 0

Possibly that #3 you suspect?

Pretty small though. Player ID 31060, so he's pretty new.

For reference: Abel ID 14352. Chuck_Norris ID 14542.
The 14xxx series was all folks who joined in a relatively short window (possibly even the same day, with them this close) due to IK hitting the DIGG digg.com front page in this timeframe.

[mmupatton]

I had not considered "cain" a suspect and still don't see reason to. As Natmus has stated elsewhere, Trockafella (#14308) is a suspect, the liason with vbpal (#6636) is still somewhat strange (I feel certain there is one, but no real evidence). I can see from Natmus' messages to DIGG, that DeezNuts (#14357) is also a suspected account, I don't know the specific reason for this.

For reference, id's:
Trockafella: #14308
DeezNuts: #14357
Abel / GFY: #14352
Chuck_Norris: #14542
(vbpal: #6636)

[Natmus]

mmupatton said:

As stated elsewhere, probably most in private messages, I not only suspect Chuck_Norris and GFY (now "Abel", as in "Cain & ...") to be the same person, but also a third account to be under the control of that player. No evidence, but I'm interested in any news regarding this.

Also, does the Orcs have a forum where an admin we can work with could check the IPs of two of their (former) members?

From Gorby:

Gorbag wrote:
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I have 2 IP addresses that GFY used.

69.112.73.94
64.12.36.146

My sentiments match those of Loqtor. The way we got rid of him still feels wrong, but he had to go. It was a quandry.

The link between GFY, Trockfella and Deeznuts was suspected by the Orcs. They were supposed to work in the same office, but that's a classic multi cover. But still not unlikely, even plausible.

[eproxy]

If Aja can't get back to with the Angel Forum IP's I'll just ask Alter_Bridge; although they do both hold the same position