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CHAOS
Mar 11, 2007 15:46:56 GMT
Post by DrieZ/Cesium on Mar 11, 2007 15:46:56 GMT
As you guys know, I'm having some diplomatical problems with CHAOS from FOIMP. We were both clearing the same isle - we did not know from each other we were doing it - It was one of bulbizar's islands: {11:42:23}.
I colonised it last night, and thus I went to bed. But whilst sleeping, CHAOS took the isle from me. He is 14 hours away from this isle (as he says himself) and he did not intend to take my isle, but intended to take bulbizar's isle. But because it changed of ruler..
Here I give you some attack reports
3 days ago Attack on 010| Old Trafford (11:42:23) Units of DrieZ Total Losses Large Warships 100 55 Small Warships 10 5 Small Merchant Ships 50 27 Spearfighters 500 274 Catapults 10 5 Units of bulbizar Total Losses Small Warships 103 103 Small Merchant Ships 20 20 Spearfighters 296 296 Plundered resources Gold 4600 Stone 0 Lumber 0 Destruction Main House Level 1 (Destruction: 9)
3 days ago Attack on 010| Old Trafford (11:42:23) Units of DrieZ Total Losses Large Warships 99 9 Small Warships 5 0 Small Merchant Ships 23 2 Spearfighters 495 45 Catapults 5 0 Units of bulbizar Total Losses Plundered resources Gold 4200 Stone 0 Lumber 0 Destruction Stone Wall Level 15 (Destruction: 2)
2 days ago Attack on 010| Old Trafford (11:42:23) Units of DrieZ Total Losses Large Warships 90 5 Small Warships 15 1 Small Merchant Ships 21 1 Spearfighters 400 22 Catapults 15 1 Units of bulbizar Total Losses Plundered resources Gold 4000 Stone 0 Lumber 0 Destruction Stone Wall Level 1 (Destruction: 14)
15 hours ago Attack on 010| Old Trafford (11:42:23) Colonization successful. Units of DrieZ Total Losses Large Warships 85 0 Small Warships 5 0 Small Merchant Ships 25 0 Colonization Ships 1 1 Spearfighters 400 1 Catapults 5 0 Units of bulbizar Total Losses Plundered resources Gold 5000 Stone 0 Lumber 0 Destruction Harbour Level 6 (Destruction: 1)
And this is the attack he sent to me
10 hours ago Attack on 010| Old Trafford (11:42:23) Colonization successful. Units of CHAOS Total Losses Large Warships 59 0 Small Warships 41 0 Colonization Ships 1 1 Spearfighters 374 1 Catapults 3 0 Units of DrieZ Total Losses Plundered resources Gold 0 Stone 0 Lumber 0 Destruction Harbour Level 5 (Destruction: 1)
He is first of all lying about the stone wall he took down to lvl one, as it seems that I did that. Secondly: he does not want to give me the isle back and finally: he is willing to compensate for my coloship, but not for any other losses I took, though I took out most of bulbizars forces
I would already like to thank Cesium for helping me in diplomacy, and to you guys for listening
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CHAOS
Mar 11, 2007 16:24:54 GMT
Post by 2kcastle on Mar 11, 2007 16:24:54 GMT
I've been mailed by chaos about this, I dont think he realised you cleared so many troops from the isle ( Or he does realise and is pretending not to ~ eithers possible ). I'm going to mail him back and show him the attack report where driez clears the isle and suggest that as driez suffered the biggest loss the isle should return to him. @ Driez, how do you feel about offering chaos some compensation for his colo ship ? Although he's being a pain about giving it back it wasn't a malicious act if he launched 14 hours or so before you took the isle. Its up to you, you dont have to but ive always found little "sweeteners " like that can make it much easier to resolve things quickly
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CHAOS
Mar 11, 2007 16:39:41 GMT
Post by Cesium on Mar 11, 2007 16:39:41 GMT
My contact with Chaos: From what I've seen, he has yet to master the written English language...
CHAOS 3 hours ago RE: Listen up pal... im not ripping anyone of cause i took huge loses to get this isle as i levelled the stone wall from level 20 and took the main house down from level 20 down to 10 i have taken major loses aswell doing this and my alliance knows this me and Driez are trying to solve this diplomatically
Cesium wrote: ----------
Hi, I'm a friend of Driez. You're ripping him off. He WILL retake that isle, and that is that. 35K gold is B.S., and you know it. He lost majorly against that isle and he's keeping it. So you can just accept that.
CHAOS 2½ hours ago Driez it has Driez that offered the 35000 gold and 15000 lumber compensation cause he origionally offered me to pay less than that but i said i would pay him
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Mar 11, 2007 16:47:35 GMT
Post by 2kcastle on Mar 11, 2007 16:47:35 GMT
lol i dont think we'll be offering cesium a diplomats position just yet Added : and talking of people who shouldnt be a diplomat ive just recieved this from aspen. Aspen 40 minutes ago Driez [Sent to all FoM admin] CHAOS of FOIMP has been in the process of colonising bulbizars isles, and after taking servere losses and levelling the main to 10 of _____, he launched three colonisation efforts, sadly all failed. Driez of FoM then snuck in and took the isle, with minor losses. Our member has taken it back, as should be so, but your members is pressing for either the isle or full compensation, and reports have it that all of FoM are prepared to get involved. Needless to say this would result in war, and FOIMP are, with all due respect, the greater force. I propose that you convince your member and alliance to stand down and to accept the very very generous offer of full compensation from CHAOS. Regards. (Following this mail is CHAOS' statement)
I've replied showing him the attack report where driez cleared the isle and asked for chaos to show us any attack reports he feels will support his case, I think we should push for a quick result on this one, get driez to build a colo ship asap and take back the isle.
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Mar 11, 2007 18:42:35 GMT
Post by 2kcastle on Mar 11, 2007 18:42:35 GMT
I've just had this from chaos.
CHAOS 7 minutes ago RE: RE: hiya my attack is as follows 5 days ago Attack on [2] Bulbizar (11:42:23) Units of CHAOS Total Losses Large Warships 80 70 Small Warships 80 53 Small Merchant Ships 0 0 Spearfighters 543 438 Catapults 17 11 Units of bulbizar Total Losses Small Warships 237 134 Small Merchant Ships 70 50 Spearfighters 600 304 Plundered resources Gold 0 Stone 0 Lumber 0 Destruction Main House Level 10 (Destruction: 10)
obviously i didnt send my colony ship because the win percentage wasnt high enough and i didnt want to risk losing it at that point plus i sent my colony attepmt with a differnt isle so what should we do from here and could you please ask Cesium to stop harassing me about this because it isnt my fault that we both happened to be attacking the same isle.
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CHAOS
Mar 11, 2007 18:35:25 GMT
Post by bishop on Mar 11, 2007 18:35:25 GMT
Needless to say this would result in war, and FOIMP are, with all due respect, the greater force. What a plonker. That comment alone is almost a good enough reason to destroy their alliance.
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Mar 11, 2007 19:02:09 GMT
Post by Cesium on Mar 11, 2007 19:02:09 GMT
I've just had this from chaos. CHAOS 7 minutes ago RE: RE: hiya my attack is as follows 5 days ago Attack on [2] Bulbizar (11:42:23) Units of CHAOS Total Losses Large Warships 80 70 Small Warships 80 53 Small Merchant Ships 0 0 Spearfighters 543 438 Catapults 17 11 Units of bulbizar Total Losses Small Warships 237 134 Small Merchant Ships 70 50 Spearfighters 600 304 Plundered resources Gold 0 Stone 0 Lumber 0 Destruction Main House Level 10 (Destruction: 10) I believe it's now fairly obvious that they're lying through their teeth. Aspen must have given the spy report to Chaos, and someone formulated this thing. Unless the IK server was halucinating, or wanted to make sure that of the zero SMS sent, all of them were destroyed. Plus, I plugged in the numbers into half-live-fans.de/kbmaker.php and while the calc isn't perfect, the losses are significantly less in this report than what the calculator would predict. It's pretty fishy folks...
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Mar 11, 2007 19:07:50 GMT
Post by 2kcastle on Mar 11, 2007 19:07:50 GMT
I gave the spy report to chaos, I've just been having a look at the info in the database and its very unlikely that the isle would have had that number of troops and ships on it. i'll mail chaos and aspen and tell them we dont appreciate poor quality attempts to cheat us. As an after thought if he sent that few ships and obviously couldnt clear the isle wouldn't he have lost everything ?
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CHAOS
Mar 12, 2007 1:37:33 GMT
Post by DrieZ/Cesium on Mar 12, 2007 1:37:33 GMT
thanks for the backup here guys. It is most obvious they are lying about it.. CHAOS also told me, he took the stonewall down from lvl 20 to 1, but as you can see in my attack reports, I took it down from 17 (or 15, cant remember)
btw: coloship ready in 20 hours
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Mar 11, 2007 20:53:54 GMT
Post by SkulkrinBait on Mar 11, 2007 20:53:54 GMT
I'm up to speed on this now, so I take it you are launching a colony ship back at that island soonish?
As soon as you do that war may well break out, their admin Aspen is sabre rattling somewhat.
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Mar 11, 2007 20:55:06 GMT
Post by 2kcastle on Mar 11, 2007 20:55:06 GMT
i've posted this in the bubizaar thread as well but im going to post it here so its all in one place :
I'm speaking to aspen about this now, ive shown him the forged report and pointed out a few of the major discrepancys with it, this is his reply before i pointed them out :
Aspen 8 minutes ago RE: Chaos. Well from what DrieZ says, iw would appear that CHAOS has the better claim to the isle as he was the first to hit it and first to attempt to colonise by far.
Granted, I was wrong to say DrieZ snuck in as he had no idea the isle was being hit.
I propose that CHOAS keep the isle yet compensates the lost colony ship. Both players lost roughly the same armies so it would be unfair for one to send compensation for army losses and not the other.
Your thoughts?
and this is his reply after i pointed them out :
Aspen 1 minute ago RE: Chaos ( part 2 ) I too had spotted the anomolies with the report, it appears forged. I shall speak with the appropriate people and get back to you as presently as possible.
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CHAOS
Mar 11, 2007 21:25:47 GMT
Post by Arminius on Mar 11, 2007 21:25:47 GMT
Well spotted. Good work, guys!
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CHAOS
Mar 11, 2007 22:04:13 GMT
Post by eproxy on Mar 11, 2007 22:04:13 GMT
Just out of interest when attacking you lose the same % of each unit. If you attack with 80 LW and 80 SW you will lose the same number of both. Already you can tell that different amounts were lost. I find it amusing that so many players are attempting to forge reports. Even more amusing is the fact they can't even do it properly Added; Just for clarification; our objective in this case (in light of the forged report) is a). the isle back b). no compensation for CHAOS.
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CHAOS
Mar 11, 2007 23:44:02 GMT
Post by ashimar on Mar 11, 2007 23:44:02 GMT
Aspen had spottted it too.... Right. I don't think he had at all, but that's beside the point.
This was his initial reply to my mail. Obviously a lot has happened since then. They must be getting nervous by now. Nobody likes undue attention and he's getting a lot of that now.
And indeed Eproxy, it's astounding that so many people cannot even make up a fake but correct report. I could do it, if necessary and that's why I don't trust anyone's reports and certainly don't accept them as proof anymore.
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Mar 11, 2007 23:58:04 GMT
Post by Arminius on Mar 11, 2007 23:58:04 GMT
I notice he's friends with several members of FoM; surely it's in his own interest to find a quick and satisfactory solution to this dilemma...?
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