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Killer
Mar 2, 2007 20:18:47 GMT
Post by onewhoknowsitall on Mar 2, 2007 20:18:47 GMT
Well, obviously. But there's also no rule saying that we can't take the isle back if he doesn't pay good compensation. We could go round and round on what there aren't rules on.
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Arminius
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Killer
Mar 2, 2007 20:23:51 GMT
Post by Arminius on Mar 2, 2007 20:23:51 GMT
The point is, by sending cats he was eliminating the risk that someone pre-empts him and builds up the main house. So instead of just failing, it would then be an attack on an as yet unknown opponent. At least that's the reasoning here. Not sure if people in general are aware of this 'etiquette' or even care.
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2kcastle
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Killer
Mar 2, 2007 20:42:34 GMT
Post by 2kcastle on Mar 2, 2007 20:42:34 GMT
Personally ettiquette is wasted on me, I dont mind people sending cats at unowned isles, but if he deliberately took an isle from one of us then i think that an immediate and painful response is due. If someone sends a fleet at an isle while its unowned then they can send what they like with it and deal with whatever consequences arise if someone beats them to it.
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eproxy
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Killer
Mar 3, 2007 3:04:12 GMT
Post by eproxy on Mar 3, 2007 3:04:12 GMT
Cats will do nothing but get you in trouble. The only reason to send and aim them is to reduce the Main House to Level 1. The only possible way a 1-point isle could have a Main House above Level 1 is if someone beat him to it. Therefore he gave his fleet the ability to steal the isle, from whoever got there first. In this case it was us, personally I view the use of cats as aggressive, therefore this guy must either give us the isle back (or handsome compensation if thats agreeable with onewhoknowsitall) or he has to put up with the consequences; i.e. fight.
There are no rules on this, just like many other aspects of IK. It's up to the users to enforce it, much like taking out users with multiple accounts. We back up our words and our own views by our fleets, if people don't like it they challenge us/fight back. The only rules to war are to defeat the enemy until submission or death.
Added; If anyone catted my new isle on IKUK I'd take it back, forcibly if required. Some guy said he'd reinforce an isle with 20k stoners, I didn't doubt him so I simply sent more fleets to clear. I back up the rules I believe in, he had every right to send cats with his attack, we have every right to be p!ssed off at him and take said isle back. He cost us gold, he cost us time; yet what does he offer in return? Pittance.
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Killer
Mar 3, 2007 9:39:42 GMT
Post by onewhoknowsitall on Mar 3, 2007 9:39:42 GMT
So I just got a spy of this isle and I am seeing no stonethowers on it at all right now. Someone else must have attacked it. I really wish I had a colo ship on hand as I'd send it out right away.
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2kcastle
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Killer
Mar 3, 2007 9:56:34 GMT
Post by 2kcastle on Mar 3, 2007 9:56:34 GMT
has anyone heard back from killer or his alliance yet ?
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Killer
Mar 3, 2007 10:12:27 GMT
Post by onewhoknowsitall on Mar 3, 2007 10:12:27 GMT
I had those few messages that I posted on the first page. I would definately like to see what his alliance says about this though.
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eproxy
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Killer
Mar 3, 2007 13:05:44 GMT
Post by eproxy on Mar 3, 2007 13:05:44 GMT
My message sent to his admin has been ignored, or at least he's taking several days to write a reply.
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2kcastle
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Killer
Mar 3, 2007 15:25:41 GMT
Post by 2kcastle on Mar 3, 2007 15:25:41 GMT
I mailed general bushido to find out what they were doing about it and got this reply:
General_Bushido 55 minutes ago RE: Killer. Greetings 2kcastle. We have a peace treaty with your alliance so I will try to find a diplomatic solution. Please ask onewhoknowsitall to be patient. I shall be in touch.
we have no peace treaty listed so im not sure about that bit but at least he's answered.
@ Onewhoknowsitall, have you worked out what you would like to happen next ? Do you want the isle back or would you prefer compensation ? and if so how much.
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Killer
Mar 3, 2007 20:28:46 GMT
Post by onewhoknowsitall on Mar 3, 2007 20:28:46 GMT
Honestly, I'd like the isle back. If that happens then I'll call it even.
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2kcastle
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Killer
Mar 3, 2007 20:56:13 GMT
Post by 2kcastle on Mar 3, 2007 20:56:13 GMT
sounds fair enough to me, If i havent heard from general bushido by tomorrow i'll mail him again and tell him that as far as we are concerned killer hands over the isle and the matter is closed.
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eproxy
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Killer
Mar 4, 2007 23:28:43 GMT
Post by eproxy on Mar 4, 2007 23:28:43 GMT
We need to start sending some spies out to show them we mean business.
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Killer
Mar 4, 2007 23:34:10 GMT
Post by onewhoknowsitall on Mar 4, 2007 23:34:10 GMT
Spies sent to every one of Killer's isles. They'll all hit within a few hours.
Heard anything from their admins yet?
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Killer
Mar 5, 2007 3:10:26 GMT
Post by onewhoknowsitall on Mar 5, 2007 3:10:26 GMT
Spies for all of his isles except for the one he took from me are in the database now. Both of my spies fail on that 3 point isle, but I can get spies on the rest of them. Those along with a couple other failed should give him the hint that this isn't blowing over though.
Spies so far: 2:44:5 2:23:17 2:34:24 2:35:21 2:24:10
Edit: Just got a spy of 2:25:15 and it's still empty. I'm pumping resources to my main to get another colo ship built so I can try and take this back soon.
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Killer
Mar 5, 2007 10:38:18 GMT
Post by eproxy on Mar 5, 2007 10:38:18 GMT
He looks weak, this should be easy. Even if he doesn't give it up willingly and we have to crush his account it will not be too hard. The most he has on any isle apart from his main is 900 Spears with stoners which will no doubt be transported off somewhere to crash a fleet. Like I've mentioned elsewhere this is dragging on; not quite so long as the Loki incident yet but too long for me.
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