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Killer
Mar 2, 2007 10:06:11 GMT
Post by onewhoknowsitall on Mar 2, 2007 10:06:11 GMT
I grabbed an unowned 1 point colo a little earlier tonight. I have a few hundred stonies due to land on it in a matter of minutes and I just logged on to see this attack from Killer of Tenth that landed 12 minutes ago:
Attack on ~7~ (2:25:15) Colonization successful. Units of Killer Total Losses Large Warships 105 0 Small Warships 64 0 Colonization Ships 1 1 Spearfighters 653 1 Catapults 3 0 Units of onewhoknowsitall Total Losses Plundered resources Gold 0 Stone 0 Lumber 0 Destruction Main House Level 1 (Destruction: 1)
He obviously had the intent of taking the isle regardless of any defenses that might have been transported to it. I have just logged on to this so I haven't done anything in the way of messaging him at all so far.
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inyati
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Killer
Mar 2, 2007 11:03:12 GMT
Post by inyati on Mar 2, 2007 11:03:12 GMT
IMO its best if you do send him a message showing your dislike on his usage of catapults in a unowned colony takeover. Nothing too agressive for now, but its the first essencial step if this ever evolves into some sort of compensation. AND a FoM diplomat could also contact Tenth and submit (if nothing else) our discontent on this matter.
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Killer
Mar 2, 2007 11:13:37 GMT
Post by onewhoknowsitall on Mar 2, 2007 11:13:37 GMT
Message sent telling him that I was irritated at the use of such a large fleet with catas on a previously unowned isle. I asked what his stance is on the situation as I'd like to try and work something out. Now to wait and see what he sends back.
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eproxy
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Killer
Mar 2, 2007 11:39:42 GMT
Post by eproxy on Mar 2, 2007 11:39:42 GMT
I'll send one of the admins a nice mail showing our discontent and hint that you have our full backing, which of course you do but no point in too overt to begin with.
Added; General_Bushido was the recipient. It was perhaps not the best 'diplomatic' mail I've ever whipped up but I'm convinced it'll do the job.
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Killer
Mar 2, 2007 19:02:41 GMT
Post by onewhoknowsitall on Mar 2, 2007 19:02:41 GMT
Killer messsaged me back saying that he can't let me take the isle back, but he'll send me 250 stonies or 5000 gold. I wasted the colo ship AND I lost 500 stonies so I think that's a no go.
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Arminius
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Killer
Mar 2, 2007 19:08:24 GMT
Post by Arminius on Mar 2, 2007 19:08:24 GMT
Did you tell him about your true costs? Might be worth a try. And if he says 'no', then we go and get it ourselves...
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Killer
Mar 2, 2007 19:09:45 GMT
Post by onewhoknowsitall on Mar 2, 2007 19:09:45 GMT
I already talked about the 500 stonies in the last message, but I'll send another telling him that his offer isn't nearly enough for what I've lost.
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inyati
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Killer
Mar 2, 2007 19:14:18 GMT
Post by inyati on Mar 2, 2007 19:14:18 GMT
How did you lose 500 stonethrowers?
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Killer
Mar 2, 2007 19:20:02 GMT
Post by onewhoknowsitall on Mar 2, 2007 19:20:02 GMT
Shipping them to the island. I had the mainhouse up to level 2 so I sent them off to the island. His attack literally landed minutes before the transports hit.
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2kcastle
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Killer
Mar 2, 2007 19:25:03 GMT
Post by 2kcastle on Mar 2, 2007 19:25:03 GMT
Can you work out whether he knew you had taken the isle when he launched his fleet ? how far away from it is the isle he launched his attack from ?
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Killer
Mar 2, 2007 19:38:33 GMT
Post by onewhoknowsitall on Mar 2, 2007 19:38:33 GMT
This may not work with the way I'm doing it, but here goes: The 1 point isle is 10.2 miles from my main and would take 5 hours 5 minutes at 2 knots. The island he attacked from is 19.4 miles from my main and would take 9 hours 41 minutes at 2 knots. That's a difference of 4 hours 36 minutes. My event log shows my attack landing 13 hours ago and his landing 9 hours ago, leaving approximately a 4 hour gap. With no specific time of when my or his attack hit, I'm not sure that I can tell for sure if he sent it before I had it or not. That's if any of my math used here actually works.
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eproxy
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Killer
Mar 2, 2007 19:57:04 GMT
Post by eproxy on Mar 2, 2007 19:57:04 GMT
He sent cats with his fleet, when he sent the fleet doesn't matter he obviously intended to take it off anyone who took it first (if someone took it first like you did). My mail was read by his admin but not replied to, personally I believe that diplomacy will get nowhere with this guy but try again anyway.
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Killer
Mar 2, 2007 20:03:00 GMT
Post by onewhoknowsitall on Mar 2, 2007 20:03:00 GMT
He says that he'll send me either half the cost of a colo ship or half of the stonies I lost. He's just trying to get off without paying too much. That's not going to happen.
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Killer
Mar 2, 2007 20:15:15 GMT
Post by onewhoknowsitall on Mar 2, 2007 20:15:15 GMT
Sorry for the double post, but these last few messages are interesting. Bottom to top. Killer 3 minutes ago RE: RE: RE: 2:25:15
Sorry
onewhoknowsitall wrote: ----------
So you send 100 lws with catas at an unowned isle? Not a good idea in my opinioin.
Killer wrote: ----------
I have had so many attacks fail.
onewhoknowsitall wrote: ----------
I'm sorry, but I can't accept such a small payment. You obviously had the intent of taking the isle, regardless of if someone had dumped any defenses on it. Why such a hostile attack to a 1 point isle?
Killer wrote: ----------
I will send you ether half a cost of a colony ship or half the stonies?
onewhoknowsitall wrote: ----------
I've lost too much to accept an offer like that. That's not even half of the stonies I lost, let alone the cost of the colo ship.
Killer wrote: ----------
I cannot let you take the isle back but I will send you 250 stoneis or 5000 gold.
So, is it really a noob mistake or is he trying to play dumb?
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Killer
Mar 2, 2007 20:17:31 GMT
Post by Cesium on Mar 2, 2007 20:17:31 GMT
You know, to be blunt, as long as he didn't send the fleet after you'd colonized it, he has full right to send cats and anything he wants with the collyship. There's no rule that states that you can't send cats when taking unowned isles, it's unnecessary, but not wrong.
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