[Elite]

[Natmus]

Just got this from cov:

cov
33 minutes ago
help!
troian; mer; natmus

It is in elites hour of need that I am calling upon the admins of two alliances that we trust and hope to be able to return the favour.

It is rumoured that the top three alliances are coming after elite.

We cannot defend against this, and neither do we have a great deal of stops to pull out!

I am therefore asking you to assist us in any way you can.

I suspect that if the top three alliances knew that you would help us i a war, then they would back away.

With this in mind, would you please be prepared to make it known that you will fight for us, and hopefully it wont come to that.

Cov

Admin of elite , ashamed to have to write this mesage!

I don't really know what to make out of it, so I answered:

cov
3 minutes ago
RE: help!
cov; troian; mer

If you think messages from us can make them back down, I will help.

What top three alliances are we talking about? DIGG, GC, S, Phoenix or others?

Also, how good is your info, and how do we go about sending the messages?

regards
Natmus

Who has any information to add to cov's message?

Also, would we fight for Elite? It would have to be some really bad people if we go to war in defense of Elite, methinks

[inyati]

What if DIGG is envolved? We have a peace treaty with them and no diplomatic ties with Elite at all....
It better be over a VERY GOOD reason for us to meddle...says I....

[bishop]

inyati said:

What if DIGG is envolved? We have a peace treaty with them and no diplomatic ties with Elite at all....
It better be over a VERY GOOD reason for us to meddle...says I....

I agree, and I think that was a good response from Natmus, but I sympathise with Elite in principle. It was typically arrogant of them not to bother making any diplomatic connections to cater for this kind of scenario, but they at least play the game reasonably fairly. I'd easily categorise them as the lesser of the two evils, compared with Shadows, who seem to treat multi-accounting as a perfectly good strategy.

The issue demonstrates that there are (unsurprisingly) some very immature people playing this game. It's inconceivable that attacking Elite is the most economical way of gaining territories; I'm sure that the situation has arisen from a small number of players who want to have 'a war' to demonstrate their superiority. Any conflict arising from this would be a disorganised mess anyway, with many fleets trashed for a small number of isles to change hands. So if diplomatic help doesn't work, then I'd leave them to it.

[SkulkrinBait]

Ooh, interesting, based on other rumours I've heard this does seem quite likely to be in the offing.

We should sit tight and see who is involved and then use this as an opportunity to weaken whoever we deem the "greatest evil".

There are a number of people in Elite who I think we need to watch out for, but there are others who are probably even more juicy targets!

I wonder if it's worth us building a colony ship each in case there are mains to be had?

;D

[Natmus]

A bit of more info from cov, in two parts:

RE: RE: help!
natmus and halko

Natmus, thanks very much for your reply, it is great news and most welcoming to hear.

Initially, I suggest that halko and I message the alliances planning on attacking us saying that you will aid us, and maybe you could backl this up with a message on your alliance page.

Our alliance page? He thinks we have room on that?

RE: RE: help!
Natmus; mer; troian, halko

The attacks are due to start today, and are mainly coming from pheonix and -s-, and I am 99% certain of that. The other alliance that is rumoured to be attacking us is digg. If we can get back to them and say that it's three alliances vs three alliances, that'll take the profit margin down significantly for them, and I think they will back down,.

[SkulkrinBait]

Isn't Tyrant in -S-? I can't check right now, due to the Ik site being blocked, but if so we should use this as an opportunity to hurt Tyrant.

Which alliances are Pumpit and Grover in?

[Natmus]

Pumpit is in -S- and Grover is in Elite.

Anyway, I sent a message that I think they will have to take under consideration, all of them:

Drums in the Deep.
cc: Ack_OZ; phil299; Popeye; Xianth; General; I_Know_Kungfu; Tyrant; Unicron; cov

Hello, all.

I keep hearing rumours to the effect that elements in phoenix, -S- and DIGG are planning a surprise attack on Elite.

I would like to make it known to all that the folks in Morkin and associated alliances think it's a bad idea. For one thing we're not sure you are looking for a fair fight, but we will intervene on Elite's behalf to make more even.

Another thing is that IF the attacks do happen, and we intervene, we will be in seriously bad mood. We prefer to fight when we decide to, and this is not a time of our choosing. So we will be pissed off about this, and that may reflect on how we go about fighting. That means we also could go for smaller members of the alliances not fighting themselves.

Most of all, should hostilities happen, we will make the admins of the attacking alliances our primary targets, and level them to the ground.

But of course, I hope it's just idle rumours I have been hearing, in which case I humbly apologise for bothering you and wasting your time.

kind regards
Natmus

I hope you can read between that I don't promise any aid, but that it's a possibility. Even so, making the admins our main targets should make them think twice

[Natmus]

I was too late, the first attacks have been sent. Oh well...

Now what? Wait it out?

[SkulkrinBait]

Who's being attacked and by whom?

[coruscation]

I don't want to fight for elite.

[SkulkrinBait]

I think it might be worth getting a pact with Elite asap, I think they would be worthwhile allies to have in future and if we help them out now then they should feel obliged to help us if we need it in future.

My main concern about a pact with Elite is that we don’t really know many of their members very well and aren’t really on friendly terms with any of them, or are we?

Is anyone in a position to draw up a map showing where members are from FoM/Morkin vs Phoenix and –S- so we can assign targets? Assuming we do help Elite we need to coordinate closely with them to take advantage of opportunies to fleet catch, for example if someone in Elite is under attack they can tell us who it is and see if their main is then unguarded etc etc. We need to impress upon the admins in Elite that they need to tell us asap of any inbound attacks with as much detail as they can get and also what they are doing in terms of launching their own strikes.

Another point – it seems that other alliances are going to use the “target admins” strategy. Is it therefore worthwhile Morkin especially having more admins? They could just be admins in name only, but this would mean that any potential aggressors using this tactic would have more targets to cover and thus dilute their attacks. This server favours the defender much more than .co.uk did, so this might be a worthwhile option too.

All of this assumes that Phoenix/-S- really are planning an attack and actually carry it out of course!

[Arminius]

I'm not having a pact with Elite. Grover steal mains left right and centre, and I still don't like the way they abandoned the rest of WAR. They don't want any pacts, they have to fight alone. That's it.

[2kcastle]

I'm uncomfortable with even the idea of helping elite.
if the situations were reversed their attitude would be to leave us to it and conserve their fleets.
i've asked a couple of players i know in mx and soh and they think elite brought this on themselves by spying on and threatening other alliances, they have a very cocky attitude that they cant back up and now they are begging for help.
the best result i can see from this is elite and shadows fighting amongst themselves and losing heavily while we watch.

[Arminius]

Also, looking at their member list, there are some people in there that I absolutely don't like.

[mmupatton]

arminius said:

Also, looking at their member list, there are some people in there that I absolutely don't like.

Now, I am definitely going to have a look ;D