Warliter
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Post by Warliter on Jun 3, 2007 21:01:28 GMT
he now also has access to a list detailing our plans and acheivements in O33/34.
We talked about another sub-board for a different reason that Morkin and fom would be able to see, but members of that board would not be able to see ours, I think that this would be an acceptable compromise, assuming its possible to do.
It could also be used in a similar fashion in future for other such like joint efforts, co-ordination etc
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Clausewitz
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Post by Clausewitz on Jun 3, 2007 22:08:55 GMT
Natmus asked me to post in here to explain the situation. Took me a few minutes to find it, since I'd only been following the E|S discussion and utilizing the spy reports on lx. I'll try to keep this short... 1. I created an account for the public section, after making that pseudo-anonymous post regarding the situation with E|S. Shortly thereafter, Natmus bumped my account to FoM user status, so I could get access to the lx spy reports. I never intended for it to be subversive. 2. I had asked (apologies, I forget which Admin) if there was any sort of "Embassy" section where such information could be shared amongst allies, such as DIGG (diggik.com) has, but was told there is not. Obviously, something like that would be ideal for situations like this, but I'm not about to ask the triumvirant to make special accommodations in how they want to manage their own forums. 3. I've noticed a couple of concerns in this thread, skimming through it quickly, and they're very reasonable. I would have the same if I was an Admin of Morkin, or if the shoe were on the other foot: A. Spying. Of course, no alliance in this game passes up opportunities at intelligence-gathering. It is an integral part of this game. I would be lying if I said that DIGG did not have it's share of "contacts" and "sources" within other alliances. HOWEVER, we in no way, shape, or form tolerate it against allies (such as Morkin), for the very real fact that we trust our allies (particularly Morkin, our most cherished ally), and such things simply lead to mistrust. B. L3x-x spy reports. Yes, I couldn't help but notice that HELL was the source. Frankly, I could care less. Whoever the source, it is of no difference. I respect Morkin's resourcefulness, and would not dare compromise the source of such vital intelligence. 4. Dr_eam. He has made some harsh threats (as he always seems to do) to retake by force the islands we had rightful claims to and recaptured from him over the past 36 hours. We will be spying him (yes, all of him) to determine if there are indications he is preparing to make good on such threats. We believe, given the nature of his threats and the current state of affairs, that DIGG is justified in doing so. As the reports come rolling in over the next 6-24 hours, I intend to post them to your database. Intelligence-sharing is a two-way street 5. Morkin "Advisor". I have asked (again, I forget which Admin - as you can imagine, my inbox has seen 50-60 in/out IGMs daily) if they would be interested in sending a few "Advisors" over to DIGG for the duration of these current hostilities. DIGG would readily grant forum access to our E|S-specific sections for Morkin representatives to observe and provide advice/insight for our current operations. Nobody has a better track record in IK than the Morkin vets, and we would welcome some representatives readily. I haven't heard back on this offer, but it still stands (obviously, I would only ask that any "Advisors" be vouched for by Natmus, Ashimar, Arminius, 2kcastle, or skulkrinbait). 6. My application. I applied to FoM in good faith. I had every intent of leaving DIGG (a difficult decision), and was paving the way for a smooth, cordial exit. Due to my Diplomat status at the time, there were some loose ends I had to tie up first. I was a few days away from formally cutting the strings with DIGG, when I was offered an Administrator position within DIGG. After a day or two of introspection, I decided I had to give it a shot, and see if I could resolve some of the problems with DIGG from the Administrator position. For the past few weeks as an Admin, I've been busting my a** to "right the ship", so to speak, and believe I have been effective in doing so. Hence, I have not formally left DIGG, and do not intend to do so in the immediate future (pending the Administrator in question acting again with such a degree of unprofessionalism that I cannot continue within DIGG).
I'll add this thread to the E|S and spy reports threads that I've been using, so I can try to address any concerns or reply to any questions.
I will take no offense (personally, or as an alliance), if Morkin deems my FoM user access as a something that is not preferred.
-Clause
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Sol
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Post by Sol on Jun 3, 2007 22:21:15 GMT
Hmmmm...I think we should make an "Embassy" section like mentioned above. Other alliance members can look and contribute to that.
I know you have good intentions, but, in game of war, there are always betrayals. So, I take no risks.
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Post by ashimar on Jun 4, 2007 0:29:24 GMT
I have suggested the post offered to some people to have them make a choice. I can think of some people, myself included, but am to busy myself to go at this time.
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AeroS
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Post by AeroS on Jun 4, 2007 1:22:29 GMT
Hence, I have not formally left DIGG, and do not intend to do so in the immediate future (pending the Administrator in question acting again with such a degree of unprofessionalism that I cannot continue within DIGG).
Most of my experience with DIGG members/admins has been pretty good. Boston was reasonable. Gauge/Aesir and Meatpopsicle negotiated some deals for me that I was happy with. My pain in the Culo! has been Lane but you can pick your favorites. See now, this is something I know I shouldn't say because we have a DIGG admin watching our forums but I refuse to censor my comments because of it. I hope DIGG makes your life miserable for the next 2 weeks and forces you to re-apply to FoM.
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Clausewitz
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Post by Clausewitz on Jun 4, 2007 1:55:01 GMT
Lane is a descent guy, but no doubt he goes on a bit of a power-trip with his fleets from time to time. Don't tell him I said that, please Gauge/Aesir is one of my best buddies in DIGG. I'll be caretaking his account this week, while he's away. We trust one another with anything/everything. Like I said, if I can't right the ship with DIGG, I'd be damn proud to call you guys "mates" instead of "allies". -Clause EDIT: DIGG recently came across a pile of Observer spy reports. I posted them to your database. A 3rd party is providing those after they heard what we were up to - we didn't even have to pay for them or solicit them (benefits of standing up to E|S, I suppose, lots of sore feelings against them out there). I should have the Dr_eam reports posted very shortly - they were all launched in the past few hours. Expect to see those in the morning after a short night's sleep for me. Cheers.
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SkulkrinBait
Morkin Admin
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Jun 4, 2007 5:59:08 GMT
4. Dr_eam. He has made some harsh threats (as he always seems to do) to retake by force the islands we had rightful claims to and recaptured from him over the past 36 hours. We will be spying him (yes, all of him) to determine if there are indications he is preparing to make good on such threats. We believe, given the nature of his threats and the current state of affairs, that DIGG is justified in doing so. As the reports come rolling in over the next 6-24 hours, I intend to post them to your database. Intelligence-sharing is a two-way street I've had dealings with Dr_eam before when he has some kind of difference with one of the FoM members, I don't remember the exact details but I do remember he backed down when it looked like he would end up losing some forces. My opinion of him is that he wont do anything that might make a scratch on his score and he's too prudent to actually use any of his fleets. Could be wrong though!
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mmupatton
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Post by mmupatton on Jun 4, 2007 9:29:31 GMT
Well, I am warming up to the whole idea now
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Warliter
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Post by Warliter on Jun 4, 2007 10:31:49 GMT
Hmmmm...I think we should make an "Embassy" section like mentioned above. Other alliance members can look and contribute to that. I know you have good intentions, but, in game of war, there are always betrayals. So, I take no risks. Exalts Sol Thats what I was trying to say, just my early morning work rush meant the word 'Embassy' evaded me and work tied me up till now.
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SkulkrinBait
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Jun 4, 2007 11:10:50 GMT
I think we do have something along those lines, ask Shendemiar for the details, as I forgot them!
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2kcastle
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Post by 2kcastle on Jun 4, 2007 11:45:13 GMT
I remember talking to skulks and shendemiar about something similar to this while the tyrant conflict was in full swing, cant remember why but i think shendemiar said it wasnt as easy as it sounded. i think he suggested using a completely seperate page to upload info that could be seen by whoever needed to. possibly like the operation europa pages that can be password protected ?
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Pose
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Post by Pose on Jun 4, 2007 12:33:44 GMT
While I echo sol's thoughts on having a specific place for guests to visit(exhalts) I am unsure of how that would pan out in prectice, each alliance we are alffiliated with will have their own issues and may not want other alliances were linked with being privvy to info we are sharing together, would we need 1 board for each pact we have?
also as far as spying goes, i dont think this is really an issue, clauswhitz had all but been granted full FoM menbership a few weeks ago and if DIGG had wanted to spy on us he could have done that no questions asked.
At least this way we know we have a cuccoo in the nest and if any of our chicks end up on the forest floor we have a better idea of how they got there.
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Sol
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Post by Sol on Jun 4, 2007 17:47:03 GMT
Maybe when there is a conflict and other alliances need to be involved, another category/board can be created and we can limit the access. So let's say we create a board for DIGG and only DIGG (and all of us) can see it. But, I know that's probably going to require more work.
Either way...something has to be done.
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Clausewitz
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Post by Clausewitz on Jun 4, 2007 20:20:29 GMT
I'm not familiar with the technicals myself, but Lane runs our forums, and I'm sure he would be glad to give whomever runs yours a quick summary of how to set up an "Embassy" (ironic, isn't it, since Lane was mentioned earlier? ). DIGG's Embassy has a joint section for the AMC, as well as private sections for each alliance to communicate directly with DIGG Admins/Admirals/Diplos. ACES, right now, for instance is *extremely* active, with half their alliance registered. They are likely moving to reclaim E|S islands that were taken by cats without compensation paid in a similar fashion to what DIGG has done. Like I said, not asking you guys to go to any trouble, just throwing it out there since you seem to be keen to the idea. Also, Ashimar (if I'm not mistaken) contacted me about the Morkin "Advisors" notion, and said he'd probably send a couple folks over to oversee our operation (as it continues to escalate with Dr_eam spying our islands in force). I ran it past DIGG Staff, and the vote is currently 17-0 in favor. So you could say it is unanimous, if Morkin wants to take up the offer Cheers. -Clause
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