Natmus
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Post by Natmus on Sept 18, 2007 8:50:05 GMT
So, how large a fleet on one isle does one need these days to have a right to brag about it?
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Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Sept 18, 2007 9:07:01 GMT
1500 is a decent size.
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eproxy
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Post by eproxy on Sept 18, 2007 10:02:36 GMT
I'd agree with Shendemiar, 1k is large admittedly but not worth actively bragging about.
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SkulkrinBait
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Sept 18, 2007 11:08:59 GMT
Don't brag or someone might flatten it.
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Natmus
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Post by Natmus on Sept 18, 2007 21:37:51 GMT
Anyhoot, I think there's a number of players with fleets of 1500 LWS on their isles. Maybe the bar should be raised up to 2000 these days. I dont think there are many of those around.
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Freiegeister
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Post by Freiegeister on Sept 19, 2007 2:02:08 GMT
I have ~800 on my main.
Given that fleet was kampf'd for 1000 plus ~100 lost during colonisations... 2000 would definitively be possible.
Bragging about a fleet that size would only open yourself to ridicule as it points out that the fleet hasn't ever been used.
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Sol
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Post by Sol on Sept 19, 2007 2:10:24 GMT
2k!
I have about 900 on my main. But Freiegeister has a point. So, how many spears does an isle need to be considered "wow"?
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Cesium
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Post by Cesium on Sept 19, 2007 2:20:52 GMT
My main fleets aren't that impressive. They were fairly well used versus Dr_eam and friends, and merging with Driez. I'm more proud of my consistent high spearcounts on my isles, and I'm more afraid of people with big spearcounts on all their isles. Though there could be bias on my side, as my biggest fleet (On 08, Oxygen, if you needed to know) is only about 825 LWS.
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Post by bloodline on Sept 19, 2007 2:24:35 GMT
I'm pretty far behind on LWS then. I have 200 on most of my isles.
As to how many spears, I had about 2k before that guy wiped everything out and am now back up to 2100. So if that never happened I'd probably have ~5k on my main. So I'd say a "wow" amount of spears would probably be something like 15k or 20k. Maybe more depending on how long you've been playing.
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Clausewitz
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Post by Clausewitz on Sept 19, 2007 2:54:27 GMT
Interesting discussion. I think all of it is really subjective dependent upon ocean/player ID.
If the point of the game is to amass a huge single fleet, that could be done with three islands, and never fighting, and just building 24/7 LWS on one of the isles. You could eternally maintain the largest fleet on the server. But what use would it serve?
Like others here, my largest fleet is roughly 800. At this point in the game, I consider anything larger almost unwieldy. Would you ever launch a 1500 LWS fleet against a single target? Would it not leave your main ripe for a fleetsteal? Granted, you can be more flexible with a 1500 LWS fleet, inasmuch as you can make multiple strikes on multiple targets simultaneously - but sending them all out on a single target just seems too high risk, and thus I don't see a 1500 single fleet as particularly offensively daunting.
For my money, a player with two dozen 500 LWS fleets is more impressive than a player with a couple 1500 LWS fleets. You can't knock out their offense by striking a single target (a few dozen fake attacks on a 1500 LWS isle could keep that fleet pinned down for quite some time). Given the average "impressive main" in o14 has roughly 7k spears, a 500 LWS fleet means you need not be afraid to fill them with spears and send them off to die. I could not say the same of a 1500 LWS fleet in o14, where you'd be sending off essentially your entire defenses and leaving yourself naked.
I know I've spied a few neighbors in o14, and seen 700 LWS fleets. Personally, it makes me laugh. When a player has a player ID near mine, and single-fleets that are quite large, it allows me to conclude he has been involved in a limited number of actual combat encounters. How fearsome are a couple 700 LWS fleets if it means the guy has done nothing but built, and tactics such as fleetsaving and fleetstealing are mere theory to them?
The impressive thing about a Morkin 1500-2000 LWS fleet is, almost all of us have been around the block once or twice, on this server or another. Having large fleets doesn't mean we've never been in a fight.
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Post by Dalfiatach on Sept 19, 2007 7:46:21 GMT
I've never had big fleets, here or on .uk, cos I tend to specialise in insane suicide missions during wars. After every war I'm usually down to under 100LWs and have to start rebuilding again.
Tis fun though, just for the occasional kampf I inflict. Plus the psychological damage it does to our enemies is fairly impressive. Crack Morkin Suicide Squads seem to really freak a lot of our opponents out, for some reason...
I've got 5K spears on 3 of my 5 isles. The other 2 were gained in the E|S war and have 2K and 3K spears. The 3 main battle isles now have one fleet of 500LW, and 2 of 250LW. Plus 500 archers on each (target 1K archers each). Meaning my main can send out a 500LW fleet fully manned and still leave 3K spears on defence. Not great, but not bad.
Assuming we have peace for a while, I'd like to get to 3 500LW fleets where I can send them out and leave 5K spears always on permanent defence, with a couple of small suicide fleets on the 2 support isles. I think I could do some fairly hefty damage in a war with that, given my battle mayhem record in previous wars :-)
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Post by Clausewitz on Sept 19, 2007 11:34:19 GMT
What about "novelty fleets" That one only builds sws 24/7 (been working on it a few weeks now). Does anybody invest time on an island to just get as many sws/sms as possible, for things like long-distance supply runs? I figure one like this could be used in a war to send a couple thousand stoners over a long distance, and the extra knot can shave several hours off the trip - the further the more time saved. Also, if I ran into somebody with a fleetsave script or something (as E|S was suspected of having), you could give them a bit of a surprise when a 6-knot attack hits with 1500 spears Right now, I've got a pair of 175 sms islands (for transporting an entire coloship of resources), and this 750+ sws island. Anybody else dabble with novelties like this?
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Post by DrieZ/Cesium on Sept 19, 2007 11:42:08 GMT
My main fleets aren't that impressive. They were fairly well used versus Dr_eam and friends, and merging with Driez. I'm more proud of my consistent high spearcounts on my isles, and I'm more afraid of people with big spearcounts on all their isles. Though there could be bias on my side, as my biggest fleet (On 08, Oxygen, if you needed to know) is only about 825 LWS. The fleets on their own arent impressive, but if you can combine all those fleets from all our islands (with 500+ lws), and if you do some good planning in attacks, we're cool
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Post by Warliter on Sept 19, 2007 11:47:02 GMT
I have several isles with 40 SMS and 20 LMS for transport purposes between my isles, although I use LMS for long distance trips or paying other players.
I have been thinking about building approx 100 SWS fleets on each of my isles, twofold thoughts are that one they can deliver stonies quickly similar to your plan also they provide a nice little pain in the arse for distraction from main attacks when bombarding an isle, why just spy when you can send 10 sms attacks a couple of SWS spies and somewhere in the middle of that 2x50 SWS fleets before your larger 2-400 LWS attacks hit.
If your attacks upon enemies appear disorganised they are far more complacent in their defence and you just might pull of a kampf against lower rated isles
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Post by eproxy on Sept 19, 2007 14:09:37 GMT
I usually have the standard 50 SWS and 50 SMS per isle for spying/transporting resources. I've always considered SWS to never be worth building in the large amounts required for either a decent attack force or a decent stoner transport force. Currently I'm at 40 SWS/50 SMS on most isles though since we aren't facing multiple players with 1000+ isles yet
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