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Post by Raven on Oct 15, 2006 19:58:50 GMT
I don't really care if I'm banned or not and probably won't restart or sign up for OR3 due to the amount of time I've already wasted on OR2. In a way it's a relief as I would have continued playing
I really liked the game and was still enjoying it but as it progressed and all the loop holes, exploits and indefensible game parameters have been identified, it has detratced from my initial enjoyment.
I can't really justify paying for the privellege of being in effect a 'Beta Tester'.
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Oct 15, 2006 20:30:24 GMT
You're right there, I paid as well and feel a little bit cheated now as the game was in Beta and I was finding bugs that began to spoil the game. When I first paid the £7 I hadn't spotted a single bug but then again I've had my money's worth in time spent playing the game and I don't begrudge them the cash, I know what it's like to develop a game.
I will play OR3 if I'm allowed but wont put so much into it if the other M/MU players don't join in.
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Post by Raven on Oct 15, 2006 20:36:36 GMT
Sent
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Post by Perun on Oct 15, 2006 20:51:25 GMT
Thank god that I too am banned. No need to worry about this, let's face it, not so good game after all. I can now focus on IK instead. I won't apologize or explain to anyone. I don't think we in Xaj are the only ones to use tag member accounts. But as we all know, we are no multis. So, fu.ck them if they have no other means to keep us from winning.
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Post by Harlequin on Oct 15, 2006 21:40:19 GMT
Add me to your message please David. I'm sure we weren't the only ones but...
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Post by Shendemiar on Oct 15, 2006 21:47:34 GMT
What is it in the first place that all these games are made with "click and hang online for success"-recipe Who the hell benefits from that? It costs bandwidth, but more importantly, player time. Its allways been real turnoff for me.
Whats wrong with a game, that in everyone could succeed with modest time sacrife. See the intel, judge others, plot plans, execute prcisely, and prevail. No f**king billion clicks no more!
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Oct 15, 2006 21:55:25 GMT
I won't apologize or explain to anyone. I don't think we in Xaj are the only ones to use tag member accounts. But as we all know, we are no multis. So, fu.ck them if they have no other means to keep us from winning. Timbus also mentioned this and I agree. I was certainly suspicous about Gazzage, ratters and spunout10, their online habits seemed a bit odd. But I was only suspicious that they were doing what we were doing, maybe not playing in the spirit of the game at worst. I suspect you could easily defeat the multi-detecting script on OR but just closing your browser when you log off or at worse rebooting, if you're on broadband then you're 99% certain to get a different IP address everytime you connect, although from the message on the forum it sounds like OR2 uses session keys, which are generated when you login. (assuming Delphi handles sessions like PHP, Perun would know) I have mentioned the problem about how OR favours those who are online most too heavily, I agree with you Robert, it's a big problem. IK manages to sort of get around it due to the lack of up to date intelligence and the fact that things take a long time to achieve etc.
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Post by ashimar on Oct 15, 2006 21:56:23 GMT
Guys, I have been my impulsive selfishness again and haven´t read more than the initial post , instead having sat down in fumes to write the following, below. Now having seen the EULA excerpt (I had almost asked them WTF U.S. gibberish abbreviation that is supposed to be), I see that indeed we have no leg to stand on. I too payed for the maximum amount of enhanced account, so I too feel cheated out of the cash, but the satisfaction I derive from writing what I write...man !!!
Lectori salutem,
I´m sure I´m more appalled and aggrevated now than you are. I´m 37, Dutch, married and a paying participant of your game. I´m also a dad with a life.
I´m unpleasantly surprised to say the least by not being able to log into my account in my sparse free time. An account I have actually paid you girls something for, both in support after having read the interview done by David J. West, your participation on the Midnight MU forum and realizing I´m a rather late adopter of the game who could use a speedup. I´m known as Marcus_Tullius on the MMU forums and therefore a good friend of a lot of the people being accused, which, as far as I understand the situation, make up for a large portion of your current playerbase.
I´m even more unpleasantly surprised that I have not been contacted by mail as I would think would be the first thing to do. Don´t you agree ?
Instead I have to wait and search until I finally find the information through the Morkin forum, copied and pasted from your forum. Perhaps I´m mistaken, correct me if you think I am, but is it compulsory to actually follow the OR forum too ? I just want to play this game without too much of a hassle, beside Inselkampf, Midnight MU, two associated busy forums and my private life.
Finally I find the tone of your forummessage a bit disturbing (are you trying to address naughty teenagers perhaps, which on account of being is my weekly job) and the things that are being implied in relation to the ones (that would be a large portion of my my friends then) who recently seem to have criticized the way the game works.
Pointing out flaws which indeed, after having read them, constitute a lot of homework for the designers, in casu: you and your team. It would seem to me you are now trying to find a stick to hit the proverbial dog(s)... Yes, I have read up a bit now on the discussion that has been going on and it simply will not do to say the exploits or flaws do NOT need to be resolved but instead people should not (ab)use them. That is a very strange take on matters.
Now to the matter at hand. as indicated I am close friends with the Midnight MU group, which means the entirety of the Morkin-Xajorkith alliance and then some others who are outside the alliance like Marton and Natmus who are also Midnight MU but choose to be either neutral or on the opposite side of the line. I myself choose to be neutral, but obviously I am friends with the Xajorkith crew and occasionally hear a thing or two about this game. Around 14 - 19 september I had to go on a trip to Italy and asked Inyati alias Blackness (a Portugese player of 31 by the name of Rogerio, living - surprise, surprise - in Porto, Portugal) to keep an eye on my account and make sure the building and research cues were constantly filled up to the max. I fail to see what´s illegal about that. Holiday mode is nice but stops my progress and I´m already way behind the rest of the players, so that was not an option. Since then I have been the sole operator of my account and I myself do not ´babysit´ other accounts. I cannot vouch for Inyati not having occasionally logged into my account to see what I am or was doing, but as long as he doesn´t interfere with my building priorities I don´t mind that either. This is good practice in other online games such as Inselkampf as well and has nothing to do with having multiple accounts.
That´s all I have to say about it and I expect my account to be working again by mondaymorning (GMT+1 timezone) or you can refund me my money and you can start sorting out the multitude of game imbalances and programmingproblems which to me seem far more important on your priorities list than witchhunting older people who occasionally either babysit or have their accounts babysat by others and addressing them like a bunch of schoolchildren through the wrong channel (forum only).
Oh, and before I forget, I expect an email back on this emailaddress and not on your forum. Thanks a lot for ruining my sunday evening gaminghour !
Marc van Blijswijk
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Post by ashimar on Oct 15, 2006 22:10:00 GMT
First draft, it will need some work but subject to comments I'll send it tomorrow: I was going to start "Hi hons" but thought better of it. ;D I think you are too subservient to them, David (whereas I´m probably too rabid...). Good point about the EULA and tarnishing our names in public. I think we now need to publish all the exploits there as well to force them to work on them and simply to get even.
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Post by Natmus on Oct 16, 2006 0:28:38 GMT
Just read this. Ho-hum!
Two days after finally sharing my password, first I lose a planet, and then I'm a multi.
The interesting thing is, I haven't actually accessed any other account, so my only crime has been to share my login details with you guys this weekend. Talk about bad timing.
Anyway, I could send her a mail saying just that, but why bother?
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Post by ashimar on Oct 16, 2006 3:44:55 GMT
Just read this. Ho-hum! Two days after finally sharing my password, first I lose a planet, and then I'm a multi. The interesting thing is, I haven't actually accessed any other account, so my only crime has been to share my login details with you guys this weekend. Talk about bad timing. Anyway, I could send her a mail saying just that, but why bother? That goes for me too - I haven´t accessed anyone else yet I´m on the list. But maybe it´s our sitter who, while having started with our account and therefore has a started session or what not, logs out and into his own account or that of another. Technically speaking that would be you and me accessing someone else as well, if you see my point. As for not writing to those cows to show our indignation and comment on the inherent injustice, I have now read a lot of valid points to whack them around the ears with. Paying to be a betatester springs clearly to my mind. Was it Phil who came up with that realization ? And brandishing our names on a public forum is slander, even when they are right. I think -for as much or little they are active on the MMU forum and game- they should be kicked out when they in fact ´steal´ from some of us and treat us ´shabbily´ in general. All this so much reminds me of typical feminine unreasonability !!! It´s unbearable. It maybe in their vague rules, but tell me this: should one always adhere to rules. The communists had rules, but they were found to be wrong, so people rebelled and they were replaced by other rules. They pretty much have covered every possibility for people to be offline and have someone else take care of something for them, very bright of them, but...do we not acquire a right to do as we see fit within certain degrees when we actually pay for something = I think one does. And coming back to the letter of their rules, they could just as easily state it´its forbidden to go to the loo while in a gamesession or to breathe while ordering weapons in menu this or that. That qualifies as unrealistic demands, unrealistic rules, rules which are at odds with other, more generalistic rules of society. Is it not my right as an individual, as a European, as an adult to see certain rules as conflicting with reasonability ? The whole Dutch civil lawbook evolves around the question wether some rules or contracts are in fact reasonable. If they are not, then they are null and void. I think that that concept is very good. I think everyone should drop them at least a simple line to state your thoughts or actions, ranging from: ´that´s it - I´m out´ and ´paying to be a beta tester sucks´ to ´I want you to publicly apologize for slandering our good name because failing that we´ll sue you for damages´. They seem to think they are so good and on top of the mountain, well, let´s shake that mountain bigtime!
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Oct 16, 2006 5:25:42 GMT
I think you've been treated more harshly than I have Marc, I've been "subservient" as I think they are more likely to listen to me that way, if it doesn't work then I can try the "fire and brimstone" approach later on. Nice letter.
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Post by ashimar on Oct 16, 2006 7:26:53 GMT
Well, I got a relatively swift answer this night:
and I have already made a reply. It´s still a concept waiting to be sent, but I feel very much like like sending it. In effect I´m effectively immediately quitting OR2.
I´ll show you the reply I intend to sent:
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Post by Perun on Oct 16, 2006 7:49:38 GMT
<snip>and I have already made a reply. It´s still a concept waiting to be sent, but I feel very much like like sending it. In effect I´m effectively immediately quitting OR2. I´ll show you the reply I intend to sent:<snip> Ispired and inspiring! You should definitely send it. It follows my own thoughts exactly. However, your english is much better. Obviously.
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Post by Natmus on Oct 16, 2006 8:21:48 GMT
I decided to respond as well:
Take that, Darth Athene!
I don't care much what she responds. With player numbers failing to rise on this server, I suspect that they are looking for an excuse to drop the game all together. Maybe this incident is the excuse they have been looking for?
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