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Post by Hessari on Oct 30, 2005 18:53:32 GMT
As I put this idea into the world, I better clarify what I meant: I was talking of the possibility of co-operation, not a merger or anything further than that. If hawk is peaceful, that's fine. But if you ever were to get into trouble, we could fight/defend together. That would be the ultimate defeat of the scheming PF. BTW, I like "fighting for peace" So there is peace, and anything going further than that should be considered with an open mind and respect for the other's opinion. As we're all reasonable and civilised people... A pact then, instead of a treaty? That might work. I’ll be curious to see how the rest of Hawk reacts... Hm. Oh yes, you have to put puns in where you can. 'Makes it interesting.
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Post by lovelybutterfiy on Oct 30, 2005 22:16:14 GMT
hey i agree with peace with morkin.. i would love to have a treaty or something. the idea of merging together would be ok but im not a "hunter" and thats not really how i view the game. i just want to play and have fun.
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Post by soiram on Oct 30, 2005 22:39:12 GMT
I think the concept of a merger is immature still. Let's take it a step at the time. IMHO the first common objective is a peace treaty. We don't have enough information on each other alliance's goals and stances, but I am sure we can attain a treaty pretty soon, as I have told Hessari.
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Post by Natmus on Oct 30, 2005 22:48:24 GMT
Okay, enough with the merger stuff. I don't want Morkin to merge with any hawkers, I don't want a common leadership of the groups, I want us to be separate entities now and forever.
NO merger, okay?
What I wanted us to consider is some common goals, a kind of joint venture into policy, perhaps with Deadwind and Shadowdiver's (MMU's Gothdruk and Lyrypryl ) Federation of alliances. Smaller alliances working together with good arguments and cooperation, as oppesed to bullying with military forces, to achieve the common goals we define together. And never during all this do we merge! We just work together
As for making a peace treaty, what's holding anyone back now? Just make the change, how hard can it be?
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Post by Arminius on Oct 30, 2005 22:54:45 GMT
I agree. Dunno how this merger idea materialised. I've set up a peace treaty with hawk.
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Post by Hessari on Oct 30, 2005 23:09:52 GMT
I shall do the same.
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Post by eviljww3 on Oct 31, 2005 3:20:16 GMT
lol, reading this thread I think the merger talk started with an unfortunate word choice by Hessari. Yes I think we should explore wether the two alliances might have some similar goals in their seperate agendas, but i think we need to give a little time for everyone on both sides to be comfortable with the peace.
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Post by Hessari on Oct 31, 2005 11:28:08 GMT
*Laughs* I likely helped it along, considering I was responding to what I thought was a merge. "Coalition" is as synonymous with "merge" and "combination" as it is a simple partnership. Not to mention the phrase: "...could band Morkin and hawk together..." But I digress.
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Post by Arminius on Oct 31, 2005 11:43:21 GMT
Yes, I don't think anybody wants that. Co-operation, but as independent entities.
Only problem is that Raul interpreted it as Morkin and Hawk ganging up on Firefox and/or DL's former army of friends. Let's just hope this misunderstanding is cleared up before anything stupid happens.
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Post by eviljww3 on Nov 1, 2005 2:15:42 GMT
That would be highly problematic as the game very definitely favors the huge player with a single uncountable fleet over a bunch of us midling fleets
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Post by lyrypryl on Nov 2, 2005 5:03:29 GMT
There is no chance to do anything against the big alliances if we stay divided. We will never reach the strenght of LSD, Firefox, etc. if everybody just runs his small group of players. Do you understand this?
Everybody is too selfish, too worried to lose his position, his power. When I talk with the other Administrators, everybody is so proud of keeping alive the name of his own alliance, like a small boy with his new toy. They don't understand that they have nothing in their hands. They are alive just because nobody of the top players still decided to kill them. They are happy to win battles against players with 200-300 points and they don't see that they didn't do anything important. Is this the reason why we are playing this game? Just to do what somebody else, with "much benevolence", let us do?
Everybody criticizes the behaviour of the strong players, but are we different? Aren't we as selfish as them? Have a look here. Both Morkin and Hawk would need to become stronger. Why, instead to look at the differences between the two alliances, nobody is looking for common ideals, common problems? The starting point is wrong. This is not the way for finding an agreement, but only for making these differences deeper and deeper. And what about the chance to have a cooperation with us? Natmus wrote it, but nobody gave an answer. I talked many times with some of you. Deadwind ( Gothdruk ) did the same. We asked for a solution, but we got no answer except to join Morkin as single players. Well, now in our alliances there are 10 M/MU players and only 5 free spaces in Morkin. What should we do? And what will happens to those good people ( and we have many ) who followed us and they are not M/MU players?
I have heard that Deadwind is going to contact Hawk. I hope they can find an agreement. This is an important moment for us. We are growing quickly. The next events could decide our position in Iinselkampf and the leadership of our whole group.
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Post by Natmus on Nov 2, 2005 9:19:14 GMT
I agree with Lyrypryl. I think we would benefit from cooperation, all around.
Some ideals would be a common agreement about behaviour, like that we don't attack small active players for resources, and that we give back loot if we by accident do so. Another worthwhile ideal is of course to help and protect players just starting out, so that other alliances don't prey on them. Ideally it's shouldn't be unnecessary, but given that some players intentionally target players just started and loot them repeatedly until they give up, we could set ourselves up as protectors of newbies.
I would like to hear from hawk members how the play. Mainly I have been hearing that they just want to have fun, but how is that achieved?
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Post by inyati on Nov 2, 2005 10:24:02 GMT
THE FEDERATION is growing rapidly composed both of weak and very strong members. It´s organizion is quite interesting! I dont know if our administrators have had access to their ideas but suggest they do look into it and then feed back here its ideals. .... Another worthwhile ideal is of course to help and protect players just starting out, so that other alliances don't prey on them. Ideally it's shouldn't be unnecessary, but given that some players intentionally target players just started and loot them repeatedly until they give up, we could set ourselves up as protectors of newbies..... Now this is also a very interesting objective. We´d be like Michael Knight or the A-Team ( ;D ). I´d like to add to this idea: create a League of Alliance or of members who´s purpuse is to help out the small player survive, and defend them from sharks - similar to Multi-hunters. I´m not saying that I´m against Multi-hunters, and that they huntdown the small players (we all understand their objective). We are after all a multi-hunter alliance. But this idea of Natmus adds a totaly new approach to the game.
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Post by lyrypryl on Nov 2, 2005 12:04:45 GMT
I'm glad to see that something is moving. Deadwind contacted [Hawk] for a cooperation in TFI or even merging with them. Hessari answered very kindly but confirming only a peace treaty ( that is not a big deal, because we have never had troubles with them, so that peace treaty is not helping anybody ).
This morning we also had an election, for deciding who should be our main Administrator. Two Administrators still have to vote, but the result is clear. Deathhand ( Croix_Noire ): 6 Deadwind ( Gothdruk ): 3 ShadowDiver ( me ): 1 This means a change of leadership and a big change in our group. Deadwind last chance to stay on the top is to have an agreement with [Hawk]. I hope they are reading this forum, because the true reason for contacting them was to help them to pass this difficult period and to build something together.
We are desperately searching among the alliances that are saying to represent an innovation and a new hope. We are looking for people who wants to fight for changing something in this game. But we have found only words. Nobody is really doing anything when we ask to follow us. This is the true reason of the change of leadership in my alliance. If the soft line, supported by Deadwind,Tekkaman and I is not giving the result that we expected, we must change.
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Nov 2, 2005 12:06:39 GMT
I like it, but it might attract too much attention from some strong players so we need to be cautious. First thing would be to chat with our existing allies to see if they would be willing to sign up. Then we could send messages to all new players letting them know BA Baracus and Murdoch are around if they need a tank building out of some chicken wire and a toothpaste tube
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