On and on and on?

[Natmus]

This thread to take the subject away from DL's thread.

Arminius is considering a breakaway scenario, leaving Morkin to spend his forces attacking DL or some other deserving foe, and the ultimatly leave the game.

I have to agree with this point of view, I can't imagine just going on and on in this game, building more and more fleets that I dare not use, because everybody is allied to everybody else. I want this game to end at some time!

For the moment I'm okay with just building forces, but at some time I intend to use them. Maybe we take DL, maybe Hawk too, just for laughs, but at the very, very last at christmas I have quit the game, deleted my account and couldn't care less who take over my isles and in what condition that will be.

When we go armageddon, I hope we can agree to doing it together, so we really can go out with a bang. ;D

[soiram]

From the moment that people decide to split I agree to that, with the only difference being that those of us who attack don't leave Morkin, but attack DL or Avinalaff as Morkins.

Those who want to continue, can leave Morkin and create another alliance, or join third parties.

The reason for this is that I would hate to see Morkin with 1/3rd of the points it used to have.

[Arminius]

Right, I didn't mean to suggest a split. I just feel the time is slowly coming nearer where I'd like to go with a (reasonably) big bang. But I wouldn't want to take down with me other people who might want to continue, that's why I suggested a separate alliance. The remaining Morkins would then be left with various treaties and the Morkin 'brand', while us warmongers would have a fresh and unknown label.

By no means do I want to split Morkin if we all feel that we want to go down together! Let's show those spotty teenagers what real comradeship is...

[SkulkrinBait]

I'm in agreement by and large, IK isn't deep enough to be played as an open ended game IMHO.

I think those who want to go out with a bang should leave Morkin (unless everyone wants to take part) and then attack whoever we see as a good target for a laugh.

I'd like to have a shot at Avinalaff but I doubt we'd do much damage, might be worth looking into though.

I think we should set a time limit as Natmus mentioned, Christmas sounds good to me or maybe just before, plenty of time to build up a large fleet with cats etc, no need to worry about more colonies then.

Worth a poll on the IK forum to see how many are interested in joining our glorious end?

[inyati]

Well I say this talk really sucks!!
90% of Morkin is still working hard to reach your score and military force, and you people are already talking about leaving (with or without a bang. it doesnt matter - you´re leaving).
How do you think the small player reacts to these comments?? He builds his little island, raids as best he can in hope to play along with the big fellows. He wishes to join the fight and at least feel that he contributes to the ovarall prestige of MORKIN! And then he hears news that our biggest players are planning on doing a major war (which he will for now have dificulty to help in), after which they put their arms aside and leave little fish in the water wondering what the hell happend? and where did the party move off to?
I´m not saying that you are forced to stay and play. The timing is just wrong. You should have waited for the end of the so called big bang war!
Damn, I´ve logged on all this time trying to upgrade my island, moving forward (slowly unfortunatly), in hope of getting as close as possible to your marks, and now this. Come what may there is going to be a war soon, and I go out with a bang (´caus no one wants to stay in the aftermath) or I move to a silent alliance!!
This really sucks!

[SkulkrinBait]

What I plan on doing IF I decide to follow this through is to send all my STs to those wanting to remain to help their defences while also sending as many resources as I can. I'd also try to get my colonies ready to be taken over by Morkins.

I've not decided for sure either way yet what I am going to do but I do want to know how everyone feels about it to help me make my final decision.

One things for sure, I don't want to still be playing IK when I'm 90!

[soiram]

Inyati's points are well put.

However, by Christmas, everyone will be acceptably big if they keep playing :-)

Personally, I intend to join the attacking force, if this force is comprised of a significant part of Morkins.

The thing is that IK needs an increasingly amount of time invested and there is a turning point after which it gets cumnersome rather than entertaining.

[maroc]

I'm with the Big Bang theorists....I'd really like to give Avinalaff something like indigestion over Xmas....

[Arminius]

Right, I think it's good to have this discussion now, as Inyati's response shows. The time for the big bang is probably a bit too early, so perhaps we should just continue to build up our fleets, abandon new colonisation attempts (as they're just a drain on resources), and support the lower scoring players instead.

At some point we will then be ready, and have the discussion again.

Feels like Spring 1914, somehow...

And to repeat: it is not my intention to split up Morkin, I simply suggested that as a possibility so that the doves can play on and are not affected by the others.

[SkulkrinBait]

So nominations for the targets of our big bang, if we decide to do it (I also agree the time should be in a few months, Dec 20th or so sounds good)

1. DarkLady

2. avinalaff - How about we all establish colonies as close to avinalaff (1 of his isles) as we can and then send as many STs as we can to each one? While he’s trying to swat them, we attack his isle in a huge wave?

Nominations!

[SkulkrinBait]

As stated above by my learned colleague, by Christmas anyone who is playing the game with any commitment, will be easily above score 1,000.

[soiram]

3. Mantaray

[inyati]

I say we go for DL now!

[Starshatter]

skulkrinbait said:

So nominations for the targets of our big bang, if we decide to do it (I also agree the time should be in a few months, Dec 20th or so sounds good)

1. DarkLady

2. avinalaff - How about we all establish colonies as close to avinalaff (1 of his isles) as we can and then send as many STs as we can to each one? While he’s trying to swat them, we attack his isle in a huge wave?

Nominations!

I agree. Totally. I find myself wanting "a bit more" out of this, rather than "the road going ever on!".

I say that we set a breakaway date for those of us who choose Armageddon and they leave the name Morkin name behind for those who want to continue. I will vote for Armageddon myself, because I want a degree of vengeance, but I think Inyati makes really valid points about those who don't feel this way. I would also redistribute as much of my non military resources as I could at the end to the group as a whole.

[ashimar]

In principle I am with the ones wanting to go out with a big bang. Quite frankly my diplomatic dealings recently have often left me with a feeling of "this is nuts, they are all either "not my kind of people' or plain stupid, way too young, totally on chemicals, without a life of any memorable sorts (there are times there is joy in arrogance I must say) or lost in translation <lol> " and like some of you said, there is no end to all this. Except setting a goal that is achievable somehow in the mid range term and then go and do something else. There is indeep little depth in this game. But the aggrevation and indignation this game can and does cause us from time to time (admidt it, aren't we all on prescribed sedatives and bloodpressure regulation since we started playing this game ?" ;~)

However, Rogerio and possibly others are right that it is not funny to leave the smaller players no choice but to join in or be left at their own resources. That os indeed not nice. But on the other hand it is also true that for example 20 december gives us roughly 90 days to build troops and forces and cats. That is not nearly enough to do anything about Avinalaff, don't get your hopes up there, we'll just run into a brick wall as a figure of speech, but the likes of DarkLady, Hawk individuals and Mantaray are quite doable. If we attck Avinalaff we can't do anything else afterwards, so if we do something it should be the last we do, after we did the smaller enemies.
And if we want to do more than that, well, than we will have to wait longer than the end of this year... I too want to get rid of this IK addiction, I want to go back to Midnight /MU which I have neglected mainly becase of this game and my life is going to change anyway, so really, how much time will I have anyway ?

I don't think splitting up Morkin will solve this problem (although Doomdark sounds a lot better than Morkin somehow for purposes of going to war), unless some of us see that differently.