Freiegeister
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Post by Freiegeister on Sept 7, 2005 2:04:39 GMT
Message from Deadwind (aka Gothdruk):
I have created a poll within IK, but I would like to hear everybody's pros and cons.
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Freiegeister
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Post by Freiegeister on Sept 7, 2005 2:18:05 GMT
Personally, should this be necessary, I would hope to see the alliance equally split, not so much on points but by numbers. Members would still be free to move between alliances (if necessary) as long as the smaller one didn't drop below a certain number.
Both alliances would operate as if they were one, so while each would have it's own Admins and Diplomats they would always act on behalf of both alliances: i.e. making treaties, conducting polls, settling disputes, waging war.
I think at such a time we should again recruit new people from M/MU to fill the ranks.
Pros: - We get bigger than 30 members while sticking to our M/MU only policy. - There are no second class members.
Cons: - Short term loss of ranking. - Maybe some confusion with other alliances, then maybe not. They could be operating in a similar fashion for all we know. - Deciding who moves.
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Highlander
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Post by Highlander on Sept 7, 2005 6:22:24 GMT
other alliances already do this so why not have morkin 1 and 2, the numbers could be split to suit our needs and changed when required, ie move people when we need to appear big to ward off other alliances or small if we want to keep a low profile.
i agree that admins etc for both would have to work together but that should not be a problem as we are all using same forum.
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Post by Perun on Sept 7, 2005 7:28:40 GMT
I think Corleth and Rorthron are good names for second and possible third alliance because of historical reasons. Luxor seems unappropriate now, as Morkin has finally taken active role in leadership! ;D Or, if taking another route, Farflame, Fawkrin and Lorgrim sound appropriate. After all these three were destined to destroy Doomdark by helping Morkin!
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inyati
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Post by inyati on Sept 7, 2005 10:00:50 GMT
The poll states "Split into two equal alliances" and "Create a sub alliance". Forgive my ignorance but whats the difference?
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Natmus
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Post by Natmus on Sept 7, 2005 10:06:02 GMT
The poll states "Split into two equal alliances" and "Create a sub alliance". Forgive my ignorance but whats the difference? If we split up, roughly half the current Morkin members switch to Morkin2 (name to be determined). If we create a sub-alliance, Morkin stays as it is, while new MMU/IK players join Morkin2.
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Sept 7, 2005 10:54:54 GMT
Both ways have their merits. We could split geographically, which might be useful. And important things could not be put on the IK alliance bit, as not everybody would see it.
Or we leave Morkin as the main alliance and nurture Tarithel/Rorthron/Corleth as 'overflow'. Maybe everybody involved should have a chance to voice their opinion, including the current 'outsiders'.
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inyati
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Post by inyati on Sept 7, 2005 10:57:29 GMT
All this is just to deliever a message to Deadwind (aka Gothdruk); right?
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Sept 7, 2005 11:01:43 GMT
Well, I think we're all in agreement that Morkin II is required, only the exact shape of it is undecided. Am I right?
After all, we would not want to reject anybody from MMU!
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Sept 7, 2005 11:03:45 GMT
I don't mind either way and would be willing to join a sub alliance or sister alliance. However we ought to be polling those who would be potential recruits to see what they think. It's rather academic if they would only want to join Morkin and not a sister alliance, part of the lure might be our reletively high rank.
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Freiegeister
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Post by Freiegeister on Sept 8, 2005 1:21:22 GMT
At this stage I was hoping to get a sense of what everyone is thinking, so we can make an offer towards them. However we do need to be able to offer them more than what they have or could gain from joining with any other alliance. So, if there were a few members who were willing to move to the other alliance, or even if there was a rotational scheme to make up the numbers.
At the same time, we could also make a new push and see if we can get a few more M/MU players to sign up.
Anyway, here's some more from Gothdruk.
I'll ask him what the other M/MU players thoughts are.
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Freiegeister
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Post by Freiegeister on Sept 8, 2005 5:58:05 GMT
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Post by Freiegeister on Sept 8, 2005 6:19:59 GMT
I have replied to Gothdruk that I'll put this to you all for discussion.
My first thoughts are that a pact basically means their goals and objectives become ours, if they are drawn into war then we would as well, and vice versa. I would therefore be wary of entering into a pact without first being sure that both alliances are heading in the same direction and that our respective members hold similar values. At the same time, a pact would be what we make it. So we could say we'll join you in a war if: there is a clear threat on us, or it is to our benefit.
In the meantime we could offer them protection so they could call on us to use our influence and contacts to resolve any conflict they are involved in.
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inyati
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Post by inyati on Sept 8, 2005 7:56:16 GMT
Basicly we´re talking about creating some treaty with another alliance which happens to have MMU players. I see no problem in viewing this as a normal diplomatic union as we have done up till now with other alliances. I relly dont understand the problem around this affair (if at all there is one!). The fact that MORKIN is composed solely of MMU players, does not mean that MMU players have to join us. They are of course free to do as they like. So what exaclty is the point? What exactly do they want? Everythings still a bit unclear. It sounds like a dialog between a teenage couple trying to say that they´d like to try out sex, but without saying the word.
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Freiegeister
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Post by Freiegeister on Sept 8, 2005 23:40:49 GMT
So what exaclty is the point? What exactly do they want? I would say the same thing as us. They are small, and looking from protection from a larger alliance if they picked on. We being M/MU people give them a starting point for negotiations. Ok, lets just put something to a vote and get it back to them.
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