merlin
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Aug 10, 2004 13:02:28 GMT
Post by merlin on Aug 10, 2004 13:02:28 GMT
Now that PNG shields are starting to appear... Jean Yves is at least using one on this forum and the upload feature suggests usage of them...
What is the thoughts on the fact that IE doesn't support them correctly? And thus they look broken.
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Aug 10, 2004 13:16:20 GMT
Post by sparrowhawk on Aug 10, 2004 13:16:20 GMT
Ditch IE and use a decent browser? I hadn't thought about checking that. Damn IE, it's a right-royal pain in the Ithrils! 0.2b uses PNG's for the widened dragon banners as for some reason the GIF's kept corrupting. This may be a problem for IE users. I'll go check. (tootles off)... No, it's OK.
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Aug 10, 2004 13:24:34 GMT
Post by celebaglar on Aug 10, 2004 13:24:34 GMT
What is the thoughts on the fact that IE doesn't support them correctly? And thus they look broken. You don't want to hear my thoughts about that, you really don't. How long has PNG been around as an open standard in fairly common use? The Adobe applications all handle it, so does PSP, and even most of the small freeware apps. So why...?
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merlin
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Aug 10, 2004 13:31:37 GMT
Post by merlin on Aug 10, 2004 13:31:37 GMT
You don't want to hear my thoughts about that, you really don't. How long has PNG been around as an open standard in fairly common use? The Adobe applications all handle it, so does PSP, and even most of the small freeware apps. So why...? All irrelevant; IE *is* the major browser and thus it oddoties must be supported as much as Netscapes should.. etc. Some thoughts on work arounds here... homepage.ntlworld.com/bobosola/index.htmHopefully most IE users are at least 5.5 by now. It is a royal pain in the arse though!
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Aug 10, 2004 13:44:51 GMT
Post by sparrowhawk on Aug 10, 2004 13:44:51 GMT
I've played around a little. It all seems OK.
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Aug 10, 2004 14:02:30 GMT
Post by celebaglar on Aug 10, 2004 14:02:30 GMT
I'd use the hack and put a recommendation against the use of IE in a prominent place on the site.
I'd only remove this if Microsoft address the problem with their software. If no one makes a fuss about getting problems fixed, then no one bothers to fix them.
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Aug 10, 2004 14:06:11 GMT
Post by sparrowhawk on Aug 10, 2004 14:06:11 GMT
Have you noticed how the PNG still renders better under Firefox than IE? (under IE there is a slight stippling effect, at least on this laptop)
Still, much better than nothing, certainly.
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Aug 10, 2004 14:32:22 GMT
Post by merlin on Aug 10, 2004 14:32:22 GMT
I'd use the hack and put a recommendation against the use of IE in a prominent place on the site. I'd only remove this if Microsoft address the problem with their software. If no one makes a fuss about getting problems fixed, then no one bothers to fix them. And I would stop coming to the site...
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Aug 10, 2004 15:01:45 GMT
Post by celebaglar on Aug 10, 2004 15:01:45 GMT
And I would stop coming to the site... Because of a mere recommendation against a buggy piece of software? Microsoft were told they had won the "browser wars" and they shelved IE development as a result, meaning that bugs and design problems were never addressed. To me, this indicates that they believed people had no option but to use IE, so why bother fixing any problems when you can force developers to find workarounds instead. It's the epitomy of shoddiness, bad quality and disrespect to both users and developers. This reminds me of the advert that tells us the world's favourite word is "OK" and asks us what would happen if the word was "whatif?".
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Aug 10, 2004 15:41:12 GMT
Post by merlin on Aug 10, 2004 15:41:12 GMT
Because of a mere recommendation against a buggy piece of software? For actively recommending against a microsoft product that generally does the job - yes. So it has a few bugs, big deal, what software doesn't. In this instance it is unfortunate that PNG's suffer because of it, which in turn means that up take of the format is held back because of it. But there are work arounds... and web designers have been working around the other browsers for years. All that's a bit harsh. Yes IE development has centered around security updates and little else, but there isn't that much extra it needs at the moment. I guess we have a catch 22 situation, PNG support isn't going to increase until MS fixes IE's implementation, and from the looks of it MS aren't going to update that until consumers (not developers) actually care about it. Also, it all comes down to what Microsofts future with IE is. MSN? Built in to Longhorn? Or indeed IE7.0 which is rummoured to be around the corner anyway. I suspect that as everything MS is becoming .net, and .net support for PNG's is complete, then any new version of IE is likely to be .NET and therefore problem solved. The truth is, just how many people upgrade their browsers if they don't install a new version of windows?
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