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Post by Old Shendemiar on Mar 21, 2004 19:19:30 GMT
"Speaking" is here something more than just "Me hungry"
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Post by Old Shendemiar on Mar 21, 2004 19:22:23 GMT
I recon me beeing able to speak Finnish, Swedish and English.
I also know basis of German and very little Russian. Also because i know Swedish, i think i can understand quite a bit of Danish and Norwegian.
And i'd like to learn French or Italian...
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Post by Perun on Mar 21, 2004 20:16:20 GMT
Let me see: - croatian, obviously
- slovenian (was serving in Slovenia for 1 year - in Ljubljana and Postojna)
- czech (was studying it for 4 years at University of Zagreb)
- english (was studiying it for 2 years at University of Zagreb + private lessons)
- german (was learning it for 9 years in ground school and high school + 1 year at University of Zagreb)
Plus, I learned some dead languages: - latin (1 year at University of Zagreb)
- old church slavonic (1 year at University of Zagreb)
And serbian is somewhat different from croatian and slovakian(?) from czech, but I won't push it. So, let's stay at five.
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Post by Matija on Mar 21, 2004 20:51:31 GMT
English and French, and an artificial language that no longer exists, but used to be called Serbo-Croatian. My German is too weak to be able to say I speak it.
And Slovene, of course.
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Post by Perun on Mar 21, 2004 22:14:48 GMT
English and French, and an artificial language that no longer exists, but used to be called Serbo-Croatian. My German is too weak to be able to say I speak it. And Slovene, of course. Serbo-Croatian language NEVER existed. It was political term, not linguistical, you should know that. There are croatian and serbian languages. They're quite similar, but gramatically/sintagmatically/orthographically/orthoephycally/ethymologically quite different. Slovenian and croatian are in many ways more similar than croatian and serbian, in other ways it's opposite. In the end, there are at least three dialects spoken in Croatia: stokavski, cakavski and kajkavski among which are more differences than among english and german, for example! But that's the curse of the seven tribes...
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Post by sparrowhawk on Mar 22, 2004 8:55:28 GMT
English, French, basic Italian (I can read it better than speak it, and even reading is borderline and requires me to make assumptions based on French words), a smattering of German.
2 years latin at school. Enough to think that I know what I'm reading means, but too little to ever be right!
And then:
BASIC (various), Pascal (various), COBOL, Smalltalk, RPG/400, Rexx, PHP, ColdFusion, Java, Javascript, VBScript, SQLWindows, SQL, etc,etc ! ;D
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Post by Natmus on Mar 22, 2004 9:33:27 GMT
Danish (of course), and the Swedish and Norwegian Bokmål that is so closely related (The other Norwegian language, Ny-norsk, is a blend of all the old Norwegian dialects, un-intelligble to even other Norwegians ). English, such as it is. Passable German. Rusty French that vastly improves after a few days in a French speaking area, it takes me some days to get into the tone and habit of it. Basic Italian, enough to buy tickets, get directions, order food, read most written stuff (something like J-Y), and most importantly: Tell Italians that I'm Danish, not German! I'm so sick and tired of shopkeepers answering me in German when I try to address them in Italian One year of Latin, very little rubbed off. I was more interested in Roman history that Latin Grammar.
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Post by Matija on Mar 22, 2004 9:45:54 GMT
Serbo-Croatian language NEVER existed. It was political term, not linguistical, you should know that. There are croatian and serbian languages. They're quite similar, but gramatically/sintagmatically/orthographically/orthoephycally/ethymologically quite different. Slovenian and croatian are in many ways more similar than croatian and serbian, in other ways it's opposite. In the end, there are at least three dialects spoken in Croatia: stokavski, cakavski and kajkavski among which are more differences than among english and german, for example! But that's the curse of the seven tribes... But I said it was an artificial language. I know that is a very sensitive matter and I wouldn't dream of hinting there's ANY similarity between Croat and Serbian. ;D I was once present on an evening of local poetry on Kornat. The language appeared to me to be a funny mixture of Italian and Slovene, almost without any Croat. Otherwise, I believe the linguists claim Slovene has more parallels with western slavic languages than with southern. All this brings to my mind a joke about a price list in a caffe in Mostar. Kava: 1 kuna Kafa: 10 kuna Kahva: nema.
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Post by queex on Mar 22, 2004 10:48:34 GMT
Just English. Although I have small measures of French and German.
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Post by Ringthane on Mar 22, 2004 11:22:23 GMT
Native: Portuguese
- by similarity, Spanish (fluent)
- second language, English (quite good)
- workplace language, 8 yrs, French (good)
- as a hobby, Latin (can read) and some Italian (below average)
- a few elements of German, Greek, Scots Gaelic, Irish Gaelic and living Welsh; former girlfriends/LD affairs gave me some hints at Bokmal and Suomi, but that's, well, history as I can't recall more than four or five words in each language.
I am unable to learn any language that uses a non-standard alphabet. Greek is the exception because the phonetic matching is so close.
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Post by Matija on Mar 22, 2004 12:14:56 GMT
What are non-standard alphabets?
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Post by Ringthane on Mar 22, 2004 14:42:42 GMT
nuts, I had thought three times before I edited that... I mean cyrillic, greek, chinese or other ideogramatic e.g. japanese, and so on...
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Post by Natmus on Mar 22, 2004 14:51:29 GMT
The Futhark?
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Post by Ringthane on Mar 22, 2004 15:11:23 GMT
Futhark and Ogham too, yes ;D
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Post by Perun on Mar 22, 2004 22:40:33 GMT
I'm not THAT sensitive about that. I've studied languages, so I hope I know the differences. That's what I said. There are too many dialects in Croatia which are so different that in Zagorje, for example, two villages next to each other have difficulties understanding each other. We actually used some of these dialects as code languages in the war. ;D ;D It's the truth, I swear! And it worked! Now, who's trying to run off Balkans? ;D I'm not sure if there's such distinguishing difference between the two. Russian is gramatically very different. Good one! But you forgot to mention it's Croat's caffe! ;D Since when are cyrillic, glagolic or greek alphabets non-standard? Non-latin, that's true, but they'e not "idiogramatic" - they all have "one letter-one phonem" (in VERY layman terms) structure. Okay, using ligatures (connecting letters for space-saving purposes in medieval times) can be confusing and hard to read sometimes, but that's another story. Chinese, japanese or koreanese, among other, ARE non-standard for our (european) standards, I agree. And since we're counting formal languages as well: pascal, C, C++, basic, assembler (6502, Z80, 68k, intel), php, javascript, html, sql... can't remember any more at the moment. Had learned fortran, lisp and prolog, but forgot completely. That turtle-moving language also, I think it was logo. Am learning C# and Java a little.
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