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Post by digital on Nov 5, 2007 15:01:57 GMT
Point 1 - Phase 1 should be completed within 1 week not 3 Edit - don't they already have a list of week players for the split off? Point 2 - Phase 2 should be completed within 4-5 weeks not 8
To answer Arminius's qustions:
1. Yes, well sort of like I stated above the time constraints are far too long therefore they need to be shortened. 2. See above 3. I think a better idea would be to offer support for members and have them join KoM, that way they have exclusive protection. Failing this we pact with the split off alliance only, no pacts with digg just yet. 4. If we pact with the split off alliance then it shouldn't do, although we still need to re vote as soon as possible.
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Nov 5, 2007 15:22:18 GMT
3. I think a better idea would be to offer support for members and have them join KoM, that way they have exclusive protection. Failing this we pact with the split off alliance only, no pacts with digg just yet. 4. If we pact with the split off alliance then it shouldn't do, although we still need to re vote as soon as possible. I think a pact would be with the split-off. It's mainly to reassure them that they will be safe outside DIGG. A bit like Britain protecting Poland in the 1930s... And I agree, the timescale should be shortened a bit.
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Post by 2kcastle on Nov 5, 2007 17:09:29 GMT
My only real question is how is this being presented to the Pantheon guys ? If they understand that the group which splits off is the first step to digg eventually disbanding into smaller alliances then they have absolutely no reason to attack them as its basically giving them what they've wanted all along. Admittedly digg are going to put a lot of spin on it and have also managed to make it a tactically viable option for themselves as well, but the end result is everything Pantheon was formed to obtain.
There should be absolutely no offer of places in kom to any of these diggers ! that would just look like we are trying to further our own agenda and digg are going to be "over sensitive " as it is once people start spamming the forums with the usual rubbish.
Is this going to be a public announcement From the digg staff to the ik population ? If not then i think we should press for it to be made general knowledge. that way it makes it much harder for digg to stall or change its mind because ( for want of a better quote ) the whole world is watching, it also keeps them under a lot of pressure to actually make the agreed dead-lines. I'm pretty much in agreement with digital about the time frames but to be honest i would have expected Digg to ask for a lot more time on their original offer. One last thing im not really sure about are they asking for a cease fire from pantheon while all this is sorted out ?
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Post by eproxy on Nov 5, 2007 17:13:48 GMT
There are a couple of questions we need to discuss. First question: where? In the Luxor board?
1. At least they agree about the direction in which they must head even if not the speed. 2. Hell no... like I said this could be accomplished in a day but they simply don't want to be seen as having 'lost' the war by giving in. Admittedly convincing the Digg rank and file would take some effort but I have no doubt that it could be done efficient (say its Digg for Diggers... if they aviod war they can only become stronger faster than everyone else so it will only benefit them). 3. Sure - we set up a pact with the split off and protect them... although I don't see why it'll actually be necassary since Digg as a whole will still exist overall. 4. Our stance, if possible, should be seen as a factor for hurrying them up... ie. they do it with a few days or we join in with Pantheon. Their time-frame is far too long.
I could probably come up with the logistics of it all myself and hand it over... and certainly much faster than their 3-week plan.
Added; 2kcastle beat me to it so this is a reply to him... if Pantheon are truly at war whilst waiting for Digg to 'breakdown' then they'll stop... otherwise we could use our Pact with the new Digg wing as an excuse to get involved on Diggs side to put an end to this...
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Nov 5, 2007 17:27:47 GMT
DJ Giftgas (another of those impatient ones) already declared Digg would have to be killed off even if they split up...
How many alliances as a target?
Morkin: 58 PAIN: 147 Valheru: 98 DD: 32 E||M: 61
100 looks like a good number, in which case it'd be about 5 wings.
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Post by eproxy on Nov 5, 2007 19:45:27 GMT
I've devised two different configurations Digg could use for the proposed new alliances. Both are ocean based but the first uses a 3 alliance set up and the second a 5 alliance set up. The 3 Alliance Set-Up alliances would have 1.86 million, 1.90 million and 1.82 million scores and be based in the North-east, Middle and South respectively. The 5 Alliance Set-Up alliances would have 0.90 million, 1.18 million, 1.14 million, 1.13 million and 1.23 million scores. These would be roughly based in the North, North-east, Left-Middle, Right-Middle and South. If your wondering where the other 1.00 million points would go I don't know - those points are compramised of the 344 Digg members below 10k score and I couldn't bothered looking at them all. I'm sure they could just be chucked into their home oceans easily enough. The xls document with all this lovely information is available to those whom want it Added; I've also got a 4 alliance variant with around 1.25 - 1.55 million scores.
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Nov 5, 2007 19:49:57 GMT
Nice. Perhaps we could pass it on to Digg for consideration?
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Post by eproxy on Nov 5, 2007 19:58:05 GMT
I'll message Phil299 about it.
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Post by Natmus on Nov 5, 2007 22:03:03 GMT
scoots of DIGG is now actively spying one of my isles in O12. I have messaged him for an explanation, but perhaps he is trying to stirr Merda! to prevent this plan being implemented?
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digital
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Post by digital on Nov 5, 2007 22:14:14 GMT
Would it be possible for Ruku to have access to this? As he has been mailing Digg about a solution in the past week.
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Post by Arminius on Nov 5, 2007 22:18:59 GMT
We could move this into the Luxor board I guess.
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Post by digital on Nov 5, 2007 22:24:30 GMT
I'm not sure, keep it under wraps until we get a version 2 draft hammered out.
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Post by eproxy on Nov 5, 2007 23:28:03 GMT
I pretty much replied with "No, but it's not too far fetched". Or thats what I believe anyway.
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Post by Shendemiar on Nov 6, 2007 1:08:40 GMT
Split them off then we kill the head (of the snake).
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Post by domhnall on Nov 6, 2007 1:36:30 GMT
Split them off then we kill the head (of the snake). Let's not be too rash- who knows how even warlike Diggers will behave in smaller alliances? Things are likely to change in strange ways if the split goes ahead. Afterall, a lot of stuff that goes on in Inselkampf is just a special type of Groupthink. Change the Groups, change the Think.
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