[Colodispute] {16:31:12}

[Warliter]

wh0wants2know
1 minute ago
16:31:12
I cleared 16:31:12 last night and claim rights to it. Both my coloships failed to colonize, so I will resend them, please do not build up the main house. I will send you my attack reports if you like. I am also willing to compensate you for the loss of your coloship. Thanks

I just received this, in light of the fact we are getting colo disputes over clearing rites, I need assistance on how to settle this. He is a member of [Pain].

I have not asked for the attack reports yet, although the MH is now level 3.

Time line

I send 3 colo attempts today from 10am GMT, finally successful at 12:20 pm GMT,
13:20colo attempt by flyvende_ellert unsuccessful (mh lvl2)
14:30 colo attempt by Noam unsuccessful
15:45 message above staking claim due to clearance

If I spy an isle that goes unowned and see an MH of L1, do I not launch in case someone claims clearance rites??

[Arminius]

warliter said:

If I spy an isle that goes unowned and see an MH of L1, do I not launch in case someone claims clearance rites??

That is exactly the stupid thing about the clearance rule: it paralyses everything, because you don't attempt a colonisation for fear of some Scemo! coming along with some attack reports from earlier.

[Warliter]

he sent me his attack report

wh0wants2know
3 hours ago
RE: 16:31:12
I know you colo'd it a while ago, my coloship was sent after my clearing hit and it failed to colonize. I have another colo inbound but I will recall it pending resolution of this dispute. Here is my attack report for the clearing hit:

9 hours ago
Attack on Salgatina (16:31:12)
Units of wh0wants2know
Total Losses
Large Warships 500 209
Stone Throwers 500 209
Spearfighters 600 251
Archers 1400 586
Catapults 45 19
Units of rulerless Island
Total Losses
Large Warships 185 185
Small Merchant Ships 65 65
Stone Throwers 300 300
Spearfighters 1260 1260
Plundered resources
Gold 0
Stone 0
Lumber 0
Destruction
Main House Level 1 (Destruction: 19)
Gold Mine Level 19 (Destruction: 1)
Stone Quarry Level 19 (Destruction: 1)
Lumber Mill Level 19 (Destruction: 1)
Laboratory Level 18 (Destruction: 1)
Storehouse Level 19 (Destruction: 1)

he sent this 3 hours ago, so he cleared at 8:30 GMT, I first colo'attempted 10 hours ago

he has lost an awful lot clearing, but do I tell him tough offer him some gold? or just take the coloship res he offers me?

[eproxy]

Why is he an Scemo! for having attack reports? If the isle is given back to wh0wants2know he will pay Warliter the sum of a coloship so Warliter will have lost nothing; so where is the fear of sending our own coloships?

One thing that needs to be done is you need to ask for attack reports. Secondly the issue of him resending the colofleets without further communication is bad form (if we choose not to give back the isle it would be an attack on us) and that needs to be addressed. It's the exact same thing as happened with Makari.

When will people get the idea to talk to us before automatically assuming we'll give back isles.

[Arminius]

It's up to you, really. We'd say that according to MH2 the isle is yours, but you ought to compensate for his losses. But if you're happy to return the isle then that's OK as well. Your call. But get him to recall his fleet first.

[Arminius]

eproxy said:

Why is he an Scemo! for having attack reports?

He isn't, and I didn't say/mean that. I meant that you don't dare taking an isle because it could be that there is some Scemo! who then claims the isle (even though you colo'ed it) later on.

My choice of words is probably unduly influenced by this Orc BS.

[conkeror]

arminius said:

It's up to you, really. We'd say that according to MH2 the isle is yours, but you ought to compensate for his losses. But if you're happy to return the isle then that's OK as well. Your call. But get him to recall his fleet first.

Pretty much what I think.

I would lean towards handing the island back to him and get your colo fleet compensated. Pretty fair for you, isnt it ?

I think this sweet spot is the only void zone in our policy.

We should act and take decisions the same way we want people to in the case we are the one having done the clearing.

[Arminius]

You might also want to look at the position of the island. Is it near your other isles, or near his isles? Perhaps it's in a good position for you and you'd be happy to pay for it, or even swap an isle that's better for him? All possibilities that can be explored!

[williham]

This thread seems to be appropriate for this so:
I've just colo'd an 800 point isle that had a level 1 main house and was owned by intheory of Valheru, however when I sent the coloship 5 hours earlier the isle was unowned. I also have a spy report 2 days ago showing only 1sws on the isle, so any "clearing reports" dated after that spy report can be easily proven fake.
Also I sent this to the guy:

intheory
0 minutes ago
Isle
Hey, as you are probably aware I took an isle of you that only recently was unowned, I would like to state that I will pay you compensation for your lost colony ship, whether in cats or gold, however Morkins colo policy states that "whoever has a main house level 2 first owns it". If you want cats instead of gold please tell me asap.
Cheers,
Will

Hope that was alright, not used to this whole "diplomatic" prospect..

[SkulkrinBait]

That's OK but you might want to offer more compensation if he is nice about it and shows reports showing he lost stuff clearing it.

Keep us posted.

[AeroS]

williham said:

I also have a spy report 2 days ago showing only 1sws on the isle, so any "clearing reports" dated after that spy report can be easily proven fake.

Was that island still under previous ownership when you got that spy report?

[williham]

No it wasn't.

[williham]

I'm away until Monday, and have made intheory aware of this as well, I can generally get access on my Dads Blackberry but not to these forums and messages in ik don't work either for some odd reason.

[williham]

intheory wrote:
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Hey no sweat, I had some emergencies come up at the office which delayed my ability to do a follow up stony drop on the isle/build up the house again. Totally understandable.

If you're feeling generous a bit of gold and lumber would be nice, I'm not looking for you to cover the entire colo ship by any means. I actually wouldn't expect you to comp me anything, but yeah, I sure wouldn't turn down the assist

Have a good weekend,
intheory

What a decent chap!

But...

fluffy
2 days ago
22:35:20
Did you clear the island?
~fluffy

[williham]

Update:
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: 22:35:20
I went to clear it, and it was already cleared:

6 days ago
Attack on Dillinja (22:35:20)
Units of fluffy
Total Losses
Large Warships 50 19
Spearfighters 250 97

williham wrote:
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Send me the attack reports and the amount that you'd like and Il see if we can work out a deal.
Cheers,
WIll

fluffy wrote:
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ok, i knew that . I was just wondering so i could get compensation


"I went to clear it, and it was already cleared:"
He wants me to pay for that! Even though I have no involvement in that!