Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Sept 25, 2007 20:04:11 GMT
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digital
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Post by digital on Sept 25, 2007 20:21:57 GMT
And Orc will be part of the Morkin Punishment Sqaud, and guess who will win
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Null
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Post by Null on Sept 25, 2007 20:22:08 GMT
boy we sure seem war hungry for such a...peaceful alliance I'm having a little trouble figuring out our stance here....it sounds to me, like an Orc player cleared an isle after it went rulerless, and a Corleth member (without clearing anything) then colo'd the isle before the Orc's colo attack hit. If this situation were reversed, how would we NOT be demanding the isle returned? From our newly revised colo policy: However player with substantiated evidence of clearing an island (taken into account number of troops and ships spent in the process), has the greatest grounds to claim it, or is entitled to compensation. Now I know there are extenuating circumstances here, the actions of said Orc player, horrible fleet configurations resulting in excess losses, ridiculous compensation demanded ect. but nonetheless, if it were reversed, there'd be no doubt we'd have the isle back in short order, no questions asked. It just seems everyone is so itching for a fight these days, we are turning every conflict into a possible war situation, even when our position doesn't really seem to fit into the "spirit" of our own guidelines. I'm all for a fight, and all for battling the Orcs, but is this really a case of "fighting the good fight", or "sticking up for the little guy", which I thought was the direction we were trying to take as an alliance these days?
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Sept 25, 2007 20:34:54 GMT
Well, that's the part of our policy where we haven't reached agreement yet.
I mainly object to him just retaking the isle with cats while the situation was under discussion.
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Sept 25, 2007 20:35:49 GMT
Also, I got a reply from Grumpf:
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Clausewitz
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Post by Clausewitz on Sept 25, 2007 20:42:16 GMT
haf_baked / Null's words definitely resonate with me right now. I've read that post over 4 times, and I must admit, I'm not feeling very righteous about this fight...
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Ruku
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Post by Ruku on Sept 25, 2007 21:17:51 GMT
boy we sure seem war hungry for such a...peaceful alliance I'm having a little trouble figuring out our stance here....it sounds to me, like an Orc player cleared an isle after it went rulerless, and a Corleth member (without clearing anything) then colo'd the isle before the Orc's colo attack hit. If this situation were reversed, how would we NOT be demanding the isle returned? From our newly revised colo policy: However player with substantiated evidence of clearing an island (taken into account number of troops and ships spent in the process), has the greatest grounds to claim it, or is entitled to compensation. Now I know there are extenuating circumstances here, the actions of said Orc player, horrible fleet configurations resulting in excess losses, ridiculous compensation demanded ect. but nonetheless, if it were reversed, there'd be no doubt we'd have the isle back in short order, no questions asked. It just seems everyone is so itching for a fight these days, we are turning every conflict into a possible war situation, even when our position doesn't really seem to fit into the "spirit" of our own guidelines. I'm all for a fight, and all for battling the Orcs, but is this really a case of "fighting the good fight", or "sticking up for the little guy", which I thought was the direction we were trying to take as an alliance these days? Totally spot on. In all fairness if we were to follow the most recent update on the colo policy, the isle would go to the player who cleared the most fleet. As much as we need to flex ourselves, I dont believe that this is the right time. The only way I see this as justified is simply the way they have handled it, i.e. being very very cheeky in the face of [Morkin]
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digital
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Post by digital on Sept 25, 2007 21:18:48 GMT
KoM is battle ready. We await the word.
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Natmus
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Post by Natmus on Sept 25, 2007 21:29:16 GMT
I think it's time we heard from Marc about what he is up to, before we can decide on how to act.
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Ruku
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Post by Ruku on Sept 25, 2007 21:31:53 GMT
I think it's time we heard from Marc about what he is up to, before we can decide on how to act. I think we should also have a seperate post where there is all the details on our reasons for war. This should stay in the KoM part of the forums, that way it gives everybody the chance to see what we are fighting for.
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Sept 25, 2007 21:32:53 GMT
Totally spot on. In all fairness if we were to follow the most recent update on the colo policy, the isle would go to the player who cleared the most fleet. No actually, as I said, that part is still not agreed on as far as I'm aware. Perhaps. But they are really pushing it. And Orcs playing by the 'rule'? News to me. If you ignore rules, then you can't claim their protection when it suits you. As far as I heard Teris was about to agree to compensation when he took the isle and messed her about.
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Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Sept 25, 2007 21:35:48 GMT
I'll port some wartools next (from ogreview.org to corleth.com format)
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Natmus
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Post by Natmus on Sept 25, 2007 21:38:05 GMT
Word from Marc and Grumpy:
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Ruku
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Post by Ruku on Sept 25, 2007 21:47:40 GMT
Totally spot on. In all fairness if we were to follow the most recent update on the colo policy, the isle would go to the player who cleared the most fleet. No actually, as I said, that part is still not agreed on as far as I'm aware. Perhaps. But they are really pushing it. And Orcs playing by the 'rule'? News to me. If you ignore rules, then you can't claim their protection when it suits you. As far as I heard Teris was about to agree to compensation when he took the isle and messed her about. I understand that the colo policy has not been agreed on yet, I was just simply stating that the most recent 'draft' I suppose you can call it, or most recent suggestion includes that line in it. I never said anything about the Orcs playing by the 'rule' either :s But upon seeing the most recent post from the Orcs its looking more and more like they are going to attack regardless of what is said from now on. Would it be possible for somebody that has all the facts to post them up in a few simple paragraphs, no reports, just a quick brief of the events leading to this?
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Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Sept 25, 2007 21:50:22 GMT
Well I'm not too convinced either that we should war about this. As i see it was Ashimar attacking some other isle that upset the orcs. If that is true the we are out of line here.
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