Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Oct 24, 2007 23:19:44 GMT
I notified Shen about the fact I may have said something about the DBS account to DIGG back when I was in DIGG at least a week ago, when the DBS issue re-surfaced, and made note that whatever I had said was definitely not pinpoint. I'm not sure if you have IRC logs, Shen, but if so, you should have this somewhere... It was IGM, deleted ages ago, but i actually remember it, so i can confirm he told me about this.
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AeroS
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Post by AeroS on Oct 24, 2007 23:28:35 GMT
I am not sure how this relates to a problem with Morkin. It would help to know what involvement morkin had with these accounts since it seems that the only way that this info would be incriminating to Morkin is if we actually had control of one or both of these account but these posts point to prometheus as the culprit, not us. I think I am missing something here and It is pointless to post this kind of stuff with out a back story about these accounts as they relate to Morkin. could some one put together a time line that relates to these accounts and Morkins involvement with them. Its all lost on me.
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Clausewitz
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Post by Clausewitz on Oct 24, 2007 23:29:20 GMT
Are you sure it wasn't an IRC private message?
I recall getting an IGM from Mads about a good DIGG target to rile up, I mentioned Phil, and no more than 24 hours later saw the IK forum posts about phil being under attack by DBS. I put 2+2 together, had an "oh Merda!" moment, and told the first Morkin-level Admin I could find; I'm pretty sure it was you, Shen, since you were the only one on IRC and was awake...
Anyhow, may be moot to the matter at hand.
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Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Oct 24, 2007 23:30:48 GMT
The thing is, that most of the people reading those quotes from Digg forum:
Didn't check the dates
At the time Clause was not in Morkin, and Morkin - Digg relations were very good. At the time he was admin of Digg, and in my eyes these posts more like try to support Morkin.
Didn't know the context
Under the impression that its recent event, and not remembering or knowing the context, those words were interpreted completely wrong.
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Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Oct 24, 2007 23:34:13 GMT
Are you sure it wasn't an IRC private message? We talked about this few days ago, those lines i have in irc log, but the original message dating month(s) back, i recall, and is much better imho. Since in it you volunterily admitted saying these things.
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Clausewitz
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Post by Clausewitz on Oct 24, 2007 23:34:42 GMT
As for intent, it was not to attempt to support Morkin necessarily (though that impression was the source of much hostility between myself and Werddrew - and he's feeling rather righteous lately, as evident by his profile), but rather to calm down DIGG senior peers that "all was well, don't go panicking or attacking DBS or calling in MK-5".
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Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Oct 24, 2007 23:37:54 GMT
I am not sure how this relates to a problem with Morkin. It would help to know what involvement morkin had with these accounts since it seems that the only way that this info would be incriminating to Morkin is if we actually had control of one or both of these account but these posts point to prometheus as the culprit, not us. I think I am missing something here and It is pointless to post this kind of stuff with out a back story about these accounts as they relate to Morkin. could some one put together a time line that relates to these accounts and Morkins involvement with them. Its all lost on me. Yes, Morkin was behind "disabling" DBS account after he was about to suicide on wrong people, as he was quitting the game.
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Clausewitz
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Post by Clausewitz on Oct 24, 2007 23:59:53 GMT
To be honest, I expected something far more elaborate from DIGG. I expected more grossly doctored fabrications to pin the Morkin-DIGG friction solely on me, and to get Morkin to avoid helping Pantheon in the pending war.
As a token "Closing statement", I would just like to reiterate that I was an Admin of DIGG at the time, and only passed along the info to keep DIGG from taking action against the DBS account. At the time, DIGG and Morkin had just come out of the Great War together, and I considered us all the closest of allies.
At this point, unless there are any specific questions, it seems "I rest my case", or something along those lines.
If any of you feel I am anything but loyal to the friends I have made here, obviously I need to bow out and go play somewhere else. I'll even hand over a recent "investment" I made on this server so that it can be used for it's intended purposes of making amends for my poor showing by suiciding the way I did. I understand the source of your skepticism of "outsiders" dating back to the co.uk server, so no hard feelings. I would just hope that those of you who I do consider my closest friends keep in touch through other external means.
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Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Oct 25, 2007 0:03:55 GMT
I, have no doubts at all concerning this issue.
For my part I would want to apologize to Clause he had to hear and experience this kind of crap from us.
I saw him fighting each night waking up every 30 mins for three Fottuto! nights on a row. He was giving all he had before he snapped. I commend highly his contributions for us as a member of the family and a warrior in the battle. The dedication was something awesome. We owe him an apology and need to clear this pile of Merda!.
Its understandable, and unavoidable how we ended here, but if we can't set right our misconceptions and false beliefs i don't know what were are worth at all?
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Sol
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Post by Sol on Oct 25, 2007 0:10:20 GMT
I am not sure if I completely understand what happened here because I assume I am missing a lot more info. But,
From what has been presented here, if Clause was admin of DIGG at the time, and Morkin+DIGG were best friends, then I don't see why Clause should be put to "shame." Although I'm not really comfortable with people sharing info about Morkin to other alliances, from what I have read here, the information does not seem malicious (given that DIGG and Morkin were friends at the time).
Perhaps things could have been handled better. But, if we're going to vote on this, I don't think Clause should be blamed for anything serious here.
I will admit that I am a bit suspicious now...but I'd like to trust Clausewitz because he has given Morkin a lot of useful information and has put great efforts here.
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inyati
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Post by inyati on Oct 25, 2007 9:18:27 GMT
Whats happening here is simple. We're showing Clausewitz what others are showing us on him
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eproxy
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Post by eproxy on Oct 25, 2007 10:45:17 GMT
A bit of Show and Tell eh? I had access to a one-isle account on IKUK once that the owner decided to vacate - I had it making cats or stoners for a couple of months before passing it one to someone who actually wanted a built up account. My secret is now out
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Warliter
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Post by Warliter on Oct 25, 2007 10:50:12 GMT
I second Inyati,
@clause, this is not a 'trial', just us telling you what we are being told about you.
Obviously this does present some potential for us to use this to our advantage if you can shed light on anything that is not immediately obvious.
Personally if I was admin at DIGG and I found that info out, I would share it with my alliance, even if it related to a friendly alliance. Regardless of any personal intentions to leave and equally I would offer insights on DIGG to morkin had I joined them just as you did.
Thats my opinion, but I think it needs to be clear that we are not trying to discredit you, just sharing info that happens to include you in the content.
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Clausewitz
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Post by Clausewitz on Oct 25, 2007 11:11:55 GMT
Thanks, Warliter. Been a rough week, obviously. After the IK forum lambasting, I was probably overly-defensive, and feeling rather beat up.
But my last point stands; if anybody, even one person, has legitimate concerns, I'll hand over my latest investment so you guys can use it to the ends intended and ask Shen to revoke my access here to remove any potential future doubts.
I suppose as long as all the cards are being put on the table, I bought the Lokim account from Matt (the original Lokim) for a "friend discount" two days ago. Intent is to keep it as is, under the radar, extremely low profile. Somewhat of a "secret weapon" at the disposal of everyone here. The purchase was, admittedly, driven by my regrets over going out the way I did, and a genuine sense of pleasure I derive from this game.
Only Ruku and Gornall (both highly trusted "IK friends") of Luxor know, Calamity (obviously), and everyone here now. I'd prefer to keep it that way, to ensure it stays as low profile as possible...
EDIT: Spelling
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inyati
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Post by inyati on Oct 25, 2007 11:43:18 GMT
I'd like to make one thing clear though Ryan. We cannot accept "Clausewitz" in our alliance, nor "Sol" for that matter. You understand that in principal, accepting them back could be interpreted that we sanctioned the move. Aesir, on the other hand was accepting as he still didnt have his hands stained
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