[HOR]

[Arminius]

Seeing that I've got internet access here (I'm away at a conference) I'll try to come up with some 'constitution'. I already contacted some people in the top-10 alliances (neither Digg nor Pantheon), and they all seemed to like the idea. Before we go live I'll message them again and ask them to post messages of support on the forum to diffuse any criticism that it's a coup. Which it is in a way

[digital]

HOR have a pact and peace treaty with Digg now which is very troublesome.

[Shendemiar]

Why not post about the New AMC anyway, its intentions: openness, transparency, public voting etc, and the draft rules, and ask for comments.

[Shendemiar]

Sorry for the trouble but can someone explain how this is "bad omens" i don't get it myself.

[Clausewitz]

shendemiar said:

Sorry for the trouble but can someone explain how this is "bad omens" i don't get it myself.

1. Lemonion asks about the status of the AMC, as well as the MK-5 account, on the IK forums. This is peculiar, since he has direct access to the answers on the AMC forums. Thus, the questions serve no better purpose than to raise them with the public.

2. [HOR] is a puppet-alliance of DIGG, and is now spying the MK-5 account. Therefore, DIGG is clearly attempting to analyze the MK-5 strength for themselves (but apparently unwilling to do so through the AMC channels).

These two things, coming together, or even independently, raise red flags.

Personally - and this is not substantiated by any evidence other than the above - I suspect they may level foulplay charges against the caretakers of MK-5 (namely, us), and use it as a pretense for either war, or destroying our "moral authority". I suspect this because it is very akin to something I would engineer if my objective was a moral/military strike against Morkin (call into doubt the credibility of MK-5, then run spies to "confirm" that the production is not what has been advertised, and conclude it has been misused).

Again, don't pin anything on the above paragraph. It's just my gut, not backed by further evidence than what's been provided.

[Dalfiatach]

Agree with Clause that Digg are definitely up to something, it involves the AMC, and is therefore targeted at us.

Go public with MK-5 stats immediately then? Every recent colo MK-5 has undertaken for the last 2 months and who the previous owners were (if we know them).

Any military action MK-5 has undertaken in recent months.

Every multi-accusation brought to the AMC and the response (or lack thereof) of the other AMC members in recent months.

Just a purely factual "History of MK-5 and the AMC" post on the public forums. I'll post it if someone who knows the details can put the facts together!

I'll conclude the post with a note saying Morkin are trying to think of a New AMC structure that will be much more open, transparent, active and involves the participation of smaller alliances (not just the Big Boys) and our final suggestion should be ready soon for the approval of the community, but in the meantime the entire IK community should throw in any and all ideas they have on the public forums.

[Sol]

Yep, Clause put it nicely there.

Additionally, the server (not only us) seems to be a bit restless and people are looking for excuses to make war. The AMC would be a good reason to start one. Like Clause said, I'd probably think of doing something similar.

And, since the general server seems to be confused about the AMC, it would be easier for them to side with DIGG if DIGG came up with believable reasons. Those reasons wouldn't really be challenged since the purpose/structure of the AMC isn't clear on the official forums.

EDIT:

I think we're racing against time. So we must act quickly before they beat us to it.

[Shendemiar]

Thanks for laying it for me.

[AeroS]

It doesn't seem to be terribly over-reaching to make these assumptions. If lemonion does have access to the AMC forums than it must be true that he is raising the questions to make something public about the MK-5. What the truth is about his intentions for doing this is up for grabs however. Its easy to see Morkin as a target because of our recent history with DIGG but it could be something else as well. If DIGG is looking to cause public sentiment to go against us using the MK-5 account, how can we derail it now. If we are wrong about DIGG's intentions, could our derailment attempt actually hurt us? We need more info on this.

[Sol]

I don't think it would hurt clarifying the AMC structure and purpose at all. Arminius has suggested that other alliances support it. It's just something that has to be done eventually and it's never really the 'right' time because there is always something going on in IK.

I'd rather risk clarifying the AMC than have DIGG taint our moral authority.

[Dalfiatach]

Exactly. It doesn't matter whether DIGG are actually planning something or not. The whole MK-5 issue is something we really should clear up anyway. It really is in our interests, especially with all the mid-rank alliances, to get the ball rolling on this one and to be seen to be taking a lead in proposing a solution to a real problem...but not pushing too hard or trying to "become the police".So, let's stop talking about it and get on with doing. No time like the present!

Who knows the history of the MK-5 account? Who currently has access to it (Morkin, and other alliances)?

[Sol]

Yep yep yep!

We must be the first to act. I'm rather ignorant about the whole AMC thing. I know Arminius has access to it? I don't want to sound pushy, this has to be done today...not tomorrow or the day after.

I'm at school right now and won't be home until 5ish hours or so, so I can't do much now. But someone who is present now and knows Arminius plan should get going. Unless Arminius shows up soon.

[Aesir]

While we're on the subject of Lemonion, he's taken up using the line of communication i started when I "congratulated" his admin upgrade... he appears to be quite fearful of Corleth involvement should Pantheon move against Digg and therefore the remainder of the Triumverates involvement.

[Sol]

So are we doing anything about MK-5 today? Yes, no, maybe?

Am I too impatient? Sorry.

[Dalfiatach]

As far as I know, Arminius is the only person who really knows the history and status of the account. So he has to tell me, then I have to put together one of my famous speeches. I want to give them enough information that they think we are being honest and up-front, but not so much that MK-5 is at all compromised.

I want to especially point out all the people/alliances that have access to the account (or had, or were entitled to even if they never used it). Particularly if any DIGGers had access/control at any time. I want to defuse any DIGG accusations that MK-5 is a secret Morkin account before they even make them.

"We usually end up minding the account, but only because nobody else can be bothered, no matter how many times we ask them - and we're a bit fed up with doing all the work ourselves here". See?

A case study or two of AMC cases would be great, particularly ones that illustrate why the current system doesn't work. And one success story, even if it is fairly trivial - this illustrates that an AMC is a Good Thing...just not this AMC...

In one bound, we kill any rumours dead before they even get started and kick-start a general debate on the AMC on the public forums. It could go anywhere after that, but I'm confident we're skilled enough to steer the debate to a conclusion we like and are happy with.