digital
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Post by digital on Nov 1, 2007 23:11:34 GMT
I officially reject the results of this poll. My reasoning is this, there was such a close vote and KoM members were not allowed to vote, who knows that they would not have tipped the scales.
Until KoM members are included in the poll it will not be fair. Stop dragging KoM into a war that a diplomatic alliance hasn't allowed them to vote in.
I've fought for the rights of KoM since day one and this is tipping the scales for me. Digg have got the idea that something major is happening so including KoM in the vote is more than fair.
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Nov 1, 2007 23:15:07 GMT
Clausewitz mentioned somewhere at some point that in the US a 2/3 majority is required to take the country into war.
17 pro-war votes out of 60 odd members is NOT ANYWHERE NEAR ANY MAJORITY.
If this is the way Morkin is moving, then I'm out. This is not democratic, this is warmongering of the worst kind.
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Nov 1, 2007 23:17:46 GMT
There will never be unanimous vote. Morkin agreed on this, and majority of luxor too. Where did Morkin agree? And what majority of Luxor? And it doesn't have to be unanimous, but it should be a bit more of a clear majority than 17:14. 27:4 I'd be happy with.
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Post by guinevere on Nov 1, 2007 23:20:39 GMT
KoM have to vote on this. They will suffer the most.
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Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Nov 1, 2007 23:22:16 GMT
Fine then. I wont push it anymore. But you broke my spirit.
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2kcastle
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Post by 2kcastle on Nov 1, 2007 23:24:06 GMT
If we're not carefull This will be the same as when the campaign against rahein was rushed into before anyone was ready. If we rush into this before " everyones " sure they want to commit we risk getting into a situation where people bail out as this turns nasty and that leaves the rest of us in the Merda!. I'm pro war but im not committing suicide with only 20 of us declaring war on Digg.
~ obviously i know theres never going to a decision everyone agrees with but we at least need to decide what constitutes a majority
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Nov 1, 2007 23:29:17 GMT
I'm not saying we shouldn't go to war (well, I am, sort of), but the important thing is that we all agree on our course of action. And by all I mean about 90+% or so. As Robert said, it will never be unanimous. But it is obvious that there is a large number of players who at this moment in time don't want to go to war for whatever reason.
I am also sure, that these members would not hesitate to launch their fleets if told to, but that is against the spirit of Morkin. We're no better than Pantheon where the leaders decide what to do without asking the poor little guys who will actually lose their islands.
Maybe the tide will change, and if Digg is about to win people will think that it is maybe worth committing suicide nevertheless, but that moment hasn't come yet.
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RapSO
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Post by RapSO on Nov 1, 2007 23:29:27 GMT
FrieZ has expressed great disbelief with the leadership and organisation, because of not being able to vote and still being dragged into war after 2 campaigns.
I'm pro war as well, but I would like to see the alliance(s) go to war together or stay out together instead of going seperate ways.
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blazed
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Post by blazed on Nov 1, 2007 23:33:08 GMT
Should we set a new poll up in the KoM section and move a few topics with most of the discussion over there. Set a timelimit (24-36 hrs max) (after this time period anything we do will be pointless, if we enter the war it is for the purpose of winning, not suiciding) and have a certain majority rule (2/3 sounds fair)
Someone could write up a clear summary of for/against points for the war
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McGoogus
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Post by McGoogus on Nov 1, 2007 23:35:43 GMT
I am for the war, but before we go through with it, KoM needs their own poll.
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AeroS
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Post by AeroS on Nov 1, 2007 23:37:43 GMT
Maybe we could send DIGG a message. This is just off my cuff so I don't really care if it is completely disregarded. *****************************
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RapSO
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Post by RapSO on Nov 1, 2007 23:41:29 GMT
I like that AeroS!
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Post by domhnall on Nov 1, 2007 23:42:43 GMT
I think we also need a poll to separate the "can't fights" from the "won't fights".
If people are just unable rather than unwilling then we have a problem that can be solved.
I'm pro-fun (or anti-peace if you like) but I also believe in playing the best way possible. We need to know definitely what we are doing before we can do it.
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Null
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Post by Null on Nov 1, 2007 23:56:25 GMT
perfect AeroS. Thats exactly what I've been trying to say should be done here. Demands and war won't force them to split. Lets try working WITH them to help get it done, or at the very least, try it out and see where it goes.
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Post by lemming on Nov 1, 2007 23:59:58 GMT
Can someone please explain the haste with which some decisions are suddenly being made? I wasn't aware that the Digg vs Pantheon war was that close to an end? I agree with Arminius, 2kcastle, blazed, digital, RapSO, guinevere. - The vote is nowhere near a clear majority
- Kom should have a say
- DIGG should be given the chance to split (without the threat of war with us)
- We are nowhere near prepared (should it come to war)
- Going to war now is tantamount to suicide for the majority of us (which I am happy to do given the right circumstances and when the time is right) - that time is not now.
If we are going to fight DIGG, and by fight I mean suicide (because really that is the best outcome we could hope for), then we should do this as a unified front and take as many of them with us as possible. Let's call it a culling. To do this requires careful planning and will (hopefully) at least breath a little more life into the server (for a while). I stand by my NO vote (at this time).
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