Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Oct 31, 2007 4:04:14 GMT
We haven't actually done anything yet. So it can be called of if it looks like enought people are against it. In my books against is stronger than pro-war.
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Null
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Post by Null on Oct 31, 2007 4:14:43 GMT
We are joining a war based on a POSSIBLE future. Digg is not the evil machine they are being made out to be. They may split, they may not. Personally I think if they stayed together and tried to take us out later, it would be a lot more fun to fight THEN, when all of Morkin are relatively strong again, and can have fun with it.
We fight them now, when half our alliance is weakened by current conflicts, and it means half of them are miserable, and many resentful.
Why not wait, see what the future may hold, and if its as bad as people think it may be, we'll have a hell of a fun time fighting them then! Much more fun than it will be trying to save the sinking ship that is Pantheon (whom btw, is made up of many alliances we hated a short while ago...H|F, FOIMP, Phoenix..) These are the alliances we will die for? Why not wait, and all die for each other down the road.
Edit: spelling.
Some more from irc:
personally, I think it'd be much more fun (for all of us), to fight Digg a month or two down the road, if it actually came to that like some people think. <Null> We'd be fighting as a group, a family, everyone would be able to get involved, it would be a just and honorable fight. The way Morkin should be fighting. <Null>Not alongside alliances that are everything we despise, like H|F, Phoenix, FOIMP ect. <Null>we are joining what Morkin seems to have fought against for its entire existence. <Null>just for the sake of a small chance of victory. Null>to be honest, it always seemed to me (as an outsider, then as a new member of the group), that Morkin fought for what was right, not just to win.
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Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Oct 31, 2007 4:18:58 GMT
Concerns of the people in the lower oceans are very real.
However we are not so much weakened that many seem to think. Also if Digg smashes Pantheon now, it cannot be stopped ever again. And they have lately proved to be rather bad boogeymans. Yes we could co-exits with them... until someday they would consider us a threat and attack.
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blazed
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Post by blazed on Oct 31, 2007 4:29:38 GMT
Digg believe we are adding Pantheon with stoners and-what-have-you even if we are or not. Relationships are already extremely strained between us why do you think they will let us away with that? If Pantheon are killed Digg have no competition. Us at full force would be nothing compared to Digg, especially with how much they will gain if Pantheon crumble
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Freiegeister
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Post by Freiegeister on Oct 31, 2007 6:09:30 GMT
The advantage with attacking now is the whole overload aspect. With Digg having to deal with both us and Pantheon they are bound to crumble much as E|S did. There is only so much their leadership can do to hold things together.
I can sympathise with those in the middle of Digg territory, and while pro-war my own islands are not at risk. Those who will bear the brunt of attacks should be the ones to decide.
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Ruku
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Post by Ruku on Oct 31, 2007 7:37:27 GMT
I voted no, I agree with Null.
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Warliter
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Post by Warliter on Oct 31, 2007 9:16:13 GMT
Look at it this way, Pantheon is bleeding members, DIGG have stated that any Pantheon members are fair game..
Divide and conquer,
Why make DIGG do it, we are doing it ourselves.
If we stay out, Pantheon will lose( unfortunately they just don't have the co-ordination to keep it together)
Once Pantheon are out of the picture, Digg will mop up any Pantheon Isles they want ( they did with E|S or have you forgotten?) this means that they will increase by the best part of 30% in 3 months, If we stay out and take them on in 3 months, we will have only grown a relative 15%, 20% at a push.
If we go it alone then it will be our exit from this server as we would not be able to take them down, then they would gain our isles also..... Game over server renamed from world 1 to server DIGG.
It is time to make the stand if you want to play in a competitive server. If you are happy that DIGG will become server police( they will Absolute power corrupts Absolutely)
Shendy has seen the DB standing of our power and although some of us are depleted, we are not beaten.
If you think that sitting on the fence will put us out of DIGG target, then you are sadly mistaken, Once Pantheon are gone, the next challenge to their server domination is us and we will possible be standing alone.
its now or never
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Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Oct 31, 2007 9:29:07 GMT
I have to concur with Warliter. I was long against the war with Digg, but in the recent events we all have had a peek into their current state of mind. They use any means no matter how dirty. They will eat everything in this server... one by one.
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blazed
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Post by blazed on Oct 31, 2007 9:34:07 GMT
should this be opened up to KoM as well? They will be fighting alongside us I presume
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Post by twilight on Oct 31, 2007 11:28:07 GMT
Yes from me. O6 is rife with DIGGers, so I'm stuffed, but once Pantheon are gone, we're next anyway. Let's have fun now! And preferably before the weekend cos I'm going away...
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Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Oct 31, 2007 11:45:21 GMT
should this be opened up to KoM as well? They will be fighting alongside us I presume Im concerned this leaking out too soon. So i oppose it, but Fingal and Rapso should be informed...
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Post by Shendemiar on Oct 31, 2007 11:50:40 GMT
should this be opened up to KoM as well? They will be fighting alongside us I presume Im concerned this leaking out too soon. So i oppose it, but Fingal and Rapso should be informed... AAARGGHHH! I just remembered i intended them to be able to see the Luxor board.. like two months ago! And i had completely forgotten! Damn me. Anyway, KoM admins (Fingal, RapsO) now have access to regular Luxor board
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Clausewitz
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Post by Clausewitz on Oct 31, 2007 12:02:04 GMT
KoM as a whole may feel rather sour if they don't have any input on this final "do or die" vote...
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Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Oct 31, 2007 12:06:34 GMT
Yeah... Well their admins know now, thats a start. And we can have them say their say so too, but with a shorter timeframe than Luxor.
And they can also take part of the "stay behind" group if they do not want to participate.
But the bottomline... you are right.
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Post by DrieZ/Cesium on Oct 31, 2007 12:06:56 GMT
But we can be sour too, if a KOM member leaks this highly sensitive info
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