kae
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Post by kae on Sept 17, 2007 16:28:09 GMT
For a bunch of desert camel-herders, the ancient Hebrews were no slouches at the old philosophising... There's a thought. Has anyone ever gone through the Bible, stripped out all the God stuff, and distilled all the social commentary/psychology stuff into modern language? Might be a very interesting read. Well, apart from all that lunatic stuff in Leviticus about stoning people to death for eating shellfish on Tuesdays, obviously... All the lunatic is tied to their religion, and also to health back in the day (some would argue still today). The things they are forbidden to eat carried numerous diseases and generally just weren't nice things to be eating in their time. But on the note of the original post, Rome was not actually offended by the early Christian's religious beliefs. They had enough strange beliefs popping up that made the Christians look tame. They were, however, threatened by their social-economic ideals that the Christians held to. Complete equality, no slaves, no masters, no rich, no poor, etc. It went against everything the Romans had built. And that's what caused them such a ruckus. If Christians today followed the same policies that are taught in the Bible, I think you'd be surprised at the results.
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Post by AeroS on Sept 17, 2007 23:53:24 GMT
Now in Orc.
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Sept 22, 2007 12:36:10 GMT
All the lunatic is tied to their religion, and also to health back in the day (some would argue still today). The things they are forbidden to eat carried numerous diseases and generally just weren't nice things to be eating in their time. Yes, stuff like meat and milk mixed, or pork in hot climates. Just Health and Safety stuff, really. Yeah, they're socialists, really. That's if there were actually anybody who would adhere to socialist principles (apart from just calling themselves 'socialist'). The closest I've seen was in an Israeli kibbutz. Kind of neat symmetry here
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Post by Natmus on Sept 22, 2007 13:12:05 GMT
All the lunatic is tied to their religion, and also to health back in the day (some would argue still today). The things they are forbidden to eat carried numerous diseases and generally just weren't nice things to be eating in their time. Yes, stuff like meat and milk mixed, or pork in hot climates. Just Health and Safety stuff, really. A bit more than that, actually. The rules are very complex, and as a rule all meat from mammals is non-kosher, apart from sheep, cattle, deer and goats. The reason that special attention is paid by us northerners to the pig is that this is the main difference between us and Jews. Pigs were a very common eat, and in northern Europe basically one of the largest sources of meat. Nobody took any notice on the other bans, because there wasn't much difference there. Rabbits, for example, isn't that large a part of everyday diet that one notices that Jews and Muslims are not allowed to eat them. In more detail: Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KashrutLuckily I'm not into old superstitions, but if I was, I would start asking some questions at those who interpret the bible as to what it means. Clearly, many of the rules of the old testament are being broken by christians on a daily basis without any trouble. However, especially conservative semi-fascist christians try to use old testament rules against homosexuality and masturabation (the sin of Onan) against those practises they don't like. So, exactly what rules in the old testament should be followed by christians? Is there some list somewhere of what rules still should be upheld, and which rules that can be ignored? In medieval times there were still a long month of fast, and on certain weekdays it was forbidden to eat meat. How come it was a sin to break the rules back then, and not today? Bah, all this stuff is beyond my capability to comprehend.
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SkulkrinBait
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Sept 22, 2007 14:56:04 GMT
Religion is hypocrisy at it's worst, I'm more bothered about the way certain extremists seem happy to kill people at random when their religions forbid it, rather than what they had for dinner.
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kae
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Post by kae on Sept 22, 2007 18:28:28 GMT
Natmus, to speak to the food rules, I'd point you to Acts 10:9-23.
That is Peter, a jew, having a vision from God about the food in particular. As you can imagine, when the new church was first growing it's roots, kosher was a big deal. Circumcision was a big deal (as this was an identifying trait of the Jews in the OT).
The point where it is settled is that Jesus having come and died fulfilled the Old Testament. Meaning, that his actions are the proper representation of what those rules mean. The OT rules are meant to show us our sin, the NT gospel is to set us free.
In regards to the fundamentalists that pick and choose, I am just as (if not much more) bothered by their specific picking out of scripture to suit their own needs. It is, as David put it, hypocrisy at it's worst. The funny part (in a sadistic way) is that the Pharisees were doing the same thing to Jesus in the New Testament, and he ripped a strip off of them for doing it.
And to address what you say David, I couldn't agree more. Religion is indeed hypocrisy at it's worst. People taking a stand on pointless things for the sake of an argument. Twisting people to their own wills and hiding it behind a religious veil. It's ... despicable.
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Sept 22, 2007 18:30:57 GMT
Must be pretty frustrating for you to work in such an environment...? I mean, you probably meet people on a daily basis as part of your job who don't see anything bad in cherry-picking what they like and hating other people who do exactly the same only choosing differently.
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kae
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Post by kae on Sept 23, 2007 17:46:33 GMT
It can certainly be frustrating. My experience in Fiji was that way with some missionaries that had spent the past 40 years cherry picking what they wanted, and neglecting the rest.
But in the midst of that frustration is hope. There are people out there who are making a difference. A difference in the lives around them, in the lives of the poor, the widowed, the destitute. People that not only talk about Jesus, and talk about religion, but instead live their beliefs. And it's people like that that give me hope and energy to carry on, as I too seek to live that way.
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SkulkrinBait
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Sept 24, 2007 14:21:50 GMT
Althought I think religion is hypocrisy, I should point out that I believe in the concept of religion, ie people should be nice.
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Post by blazed on Sept 24, 2007 22:53:58 GMT
Back on topic, has this guy suicided yet?
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Post by Clausewitz on Sept 24, 2007 22:58:05 GMT
Turdmugg = JRo. Most amusing Orc name in my book; he said he just punched in his name into the Orc "random name generator", and out popped Turdmugg. No pun intended...
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