Linkin (attack on BigBlue from Corleth)

[eproxy]

natmus said:

You only need 3 cats to take down a level 10 main house to level 1

I sent 12 cats at a Level 12 Stonewall the other week and did no attrition damage. I only took down the Stonewall despite there being excess catapult 'power' and low level buildings nearby. Doesn't excess catapult 'power' usually get spread out?

As for RockLobsters request, click here

[Rocklobster]

Thanks . And that was what I thought, but maybe Sven likes to Chiavata! with us ?

[AeroS]

I dont see how this can be solved with diplomacy. He has placed troops on the island with no way of removing them so any attempt to take the island will cost large amounts of troops. he has no right to diplomacy at this point. He should be attacked right now and without mercy. we should only decide which island we do not colo and bombard down to LVL 1.

[eproxy]

Luckily for us its stoners though, they're much less efficient than spears and he's obviously spent resources on them rather than resources on spears

[AeroS]

I can not find the spy report site. Please post it with pass.

[eproxy]

Linkin's Isles:

(2:68:25)
(2:69:4)
(2:60:3)
(2:60:9)
(2:69:14)

URL for spy pages (password not required):

www.ogreview.org/spyingdatabase/show.php?Target=1_2_3

[ashimar]

The Corleth diplomacy story so far:

Ashimar wrote:
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Long time no hear, LP. But this was not exactly the 'hearing' I had in mind.

You have to give back the isle you took and pay compensation for dmage and colonyship. Otherwise you'll loose a lot more than just one isle. This cannot end any other way. What were you thinking anyway to attack a wing of Morkin?

Ashimar



Linkin wrote:
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RE: 2:60:3

Hello there,
Let me talk to BB please..

I felt people shouldn't be protected just because of there alliance there in

A 1000 point isle with

Units of BigBlue
Total Losses
Large Warships 20 0
Small Warships 22 0
Small Merchant Ships 44 0
Stone Throwers 133 0
Spearfighters 161 0

Should not be avoided!

Plus I like to take chances like I always did, Obviously I'm prepared for your alliance to attack me, and if you feel the need to, go ahead, but for now let me speak to BB please, we'll work something out, if not, I guess I'll get the assrape



Ashimar wrote:
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Ideology 2:60:3 -1

I'll let you talk to BB first, sure, but....

I just read the message you sent BB. without going into too much detail now, there is one thing which I'd like to make clear. We are not here in this alliance to have the way we *need to* play or the way we *should* play be dictated to us by the ideas on that of one singular, opportunistic player. In case: you.

The way you propose people should play takes away completely the function and need of any alliance as you advocate players to be as good or better as others and to fight 1 on 1 when confronted. Ofcourse that benefits your style of play completely. In the adult world things do not work like that, and you know it.

If you come for instance to my house with a machinegun and a black belt in martial arts I use my intellect to refuse to fight you 1 on 1, knowing I will probably loose which conflicts with my longterm goals in life, but instead have a S.W.A.T. team take you out for me. It's that simple.

I know how you played on IKUK. I have nothing against you, but I disagree with your ideology. And as you know worldwars were fought over that.

One more thing, in an alliance, one that truely deserves that word, not the way some greenhorn teenagers have defined the term, every member has a function. Some diplomatic, some military, others supportive. based on time, personal inclination etctera. I should not have to explain this to you, but for educational purposes I have just done that.

I'm sure BB wants the price of a new colonyship in resources, and for you to give up the colony, while taking your stoners elsewhere with whatever limited ships you can still builkd there. We can negotiate time for that to accomplish. Nothing less. We have all done it at times, letting go, paying compensation, saying sorry, you will not get the measles from it.

Ashimar

[ashimar]

And all the wrong reasons in his reply:

Linkin
2 hours ago
Ideology
Woah, Okay I totally understand what your saying and agree with most things, Sure my way takes away a few things alliance wise but improves independence which near the end of the game is more important.

Would you rather that guy rely's on your backup or works towards his very own black belt?

Did you know before my LinkinPark account I was destroyed twice by rank 1 on co.uk?
I thanked the guy later because I gained knowledge from both experiences which saved me from making mistakes on my 3rd account.

Plus I really don't want to say months from now I got my last 20 isles from unnamed players or from small alliances. I aim to have fun earning them as if they were medals/statues of my accomplishments.

Remember its not about how far you get on here, its how you got where you are that matters.

[Arminius]

'how you got where you are ... matters'.

How true. Which is why he's an Scemo! and we are at peace with ourselves.

[mmupatton]

What kind of forces can we muster here? I have asked around and BigBlue himself cannot make a serious dent in the beginning of a strike... These are the offensive forces I have info about currently.

I have (and I only count those ships I can fill with fighters)
130 LWs + 20 SWs + 28 cats
60 LWs + 9 SWs + 10 cats
50 LWs + 10 SWs + 6 cats

Korba has about 200 LWs + 30 SWs + 35 cats and 3 smaller fleets like mine.

hmmn has about 200 LWs + 20 SWs + 60 cats but that's it - I don't think his second island is even up to standard yet.

Malin has about 120 LWs + 10 SWs + 30 cats.

Teris has about 130 LWs + 40 SWs + 30 cats.

And - correct me if I am wrong - attacking with 1 catapult equals about 50 stonethrowers, right? And about 25 spearfighters (offensive), 17 spearfighters (defensive) or 13 archers (offensive)? So 60 cats should equal about 3000 stonethrowers...

Currently it appears the defenses are like this:
(2:69:14) 2000 STs, 800 SFs, 300 As, 7 Cs, 217 LWs, lvl 20 wall (74,786 defensive points)
(2:60:9) 160 STs, 900 SFs, 7 Cs, 170 LWs, 6 SWs, lvl 0 (!) wall (47,650 defensive points)
(2:60:3) 1900 STs, 40 SFs, lvl 9 wall (20,385 defensive points)
(2:69:4) 1600 STs, 300 SFs, 10 SWs, lvl 2 wall (25,574 defensive points)
(2:68:25) 2000 STs, 170 SFs, 20 LWs, lvl 1 wall (27,162 defensive points)

Any volunteers for specific targets?

EDIT: As far as I can see, the most powerful of the forces listed above only reaches about 72,000 offensive points.

[2kcastle]

I think the best way to do it would be to pick the three highest scoring isles and allocate one to each of our alliances. we divide the attacks against each isle between our members and flatten the isle, or if anyone wants to colo in ocean 2 let them take it. that way none of us are taking huge losses for isles that we dont really want.
On another note how did big blue get a 1000 point isle without any defense at all ? and what are his fleets like on any remaining isles ? i find it more worrying that he can't defend himself than linkin taking isles from us. If he was in any other alliance we would be saying its his own fault ( This happened in valheru recently )

[AeroS]

Army
Stone Throwers (150)
Spearfighters (1290)
Archers (303)
Catapults (13)

Ships
Large Warships (180)
Small Warships (15)
Small Merchant Ships (33)
Colonization Ships (1)

thats about 50,000 attack points.
30-32 hour attack time but I won't be at home until 16 hours from this post. skulks can sit in on my account if you need ships sent. 3 cats in queue

[guinevere]

I'm building a colo ship nearby. I'll take on one of the isles if this is okay. Don't know though if I could manage one of the larger ones though.

[mmupatton]

There was a small defense on the island - which he took from Tyrant during the Tyrant campaign. He spent almost all of his forces taking it down, as I understand it and barely had enough to escort the colonyship afterwards. And then he focused on getting it rebuilt rather than protecting it.

I myself have not protected my more recent colonies sufficiently, something I am rectifying right now.

Anyway, looking at the map, I see that FoM has a couple of members in the vicinity, most notably Chapekaloco, Nemesis and RockLobster. Morkin has Guinthefey and The_Lith in the area and Corleth has Ashimar (probably an old Tyrant island as well). Does any of these want to colonise an island? I am very far away but my colonyship has to travel 12+ hours anyway, if they want to get an unruled island...

[mmupatton]

Just saw Guinevere's (Guinthefey) post. Great.