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Post by dragonspirit1 on Jan 12, 2007 2:46:30 GMT
While I'd like to help, I'm not able to at this stage in the game. I've got plenty of defensive troops, but I don't have the fleets. I'd be more than willing to assist in any other actions in the future, but so far I haven't reached the point where I can be effective in attacking.
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Cesium
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Post by Cesium on Jan 12, 2007 2:54:18 GMT
As long as I don't lose my whole fleet, I'm completely willing to help out.
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Post by Rocklobster on Jan 12, 2007 3:42:31 GMT
I have 64+ LWS and 22 SWS , with archers or spears to fill, but no catapults yet. Everything I have is disposable. The game isnt worth playing if were going to let people act like that
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Post by blazed on Jan 12, 2007 3:42:45 GMT
Yes Fleet: 200lws, troops to fill, only 4 cats from 1:15:XX That's a very nice fleet I must say. Commendable although you lack the cats ofcourse. Anyone who can give him cats ? One thing I urgently want to say is: do not put 2 cats on a 50 LW fleet when you have the option of giving them to someone with a >100 LW fleet. They much more effective there.Nice fleet indeed - seems like he's got the cat problem sorted. (I can send him my 2 but he's about 20 hrs away) Anyway I have a fleet of 100LWS but only 2 cats, and all you guys able to produce them are too far away really, so im pushing research through (at lvl 7 now)
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Post by Pose on Jan 12, 2007 12:21:39 GMT
Assuming that were taking TYRANT down, have we
1)considered that he will have 'slave' accounts in influential places, That will surely be brought into play? 2) got a list of his possible multies? 3) Taken into account that Unicron wont take his pal being flattened, lying down? 4)Identified the best time to attack ie daytime/nightime weekdays/weekend? 5) drawn up a plan of the'battlefield' (our positions and those of target)?
Having had experience of taking down players much larger than myself I would suggest attaking his artireis first.
This game is HEVILY weighted in favour of the cunning defender, that being the case attacking the main account that will be defended to the hilt would be daft.
I have found that the most effective tactic against a large account is to startve it of building materials WHILE FARMING the crippled isles!
destroying an account does not necesserilly require destroying all building ...infact sometimes the opposite.
for arguments sake lets say it pans out like this (scaled down)...
his main acct = 5 isles his multies = 20 isles our forces = 60 isles
we hit his multi accounts first assiging 3 players to each isle and do the usual clear troops etc...THEN instead of demolishing everything we split the 20 isle into 2 groups....
Group 1 we shall attack ONLY the gold mine with catas Group 2 we shall attack ONLY the lumbar mill with catas
rendering ALL 20 unable to feed the main or even to produce defensive troops themselves without drawing gold/lumber from an outside source( not likley), but would leave in effect 10 fully built farms to replenish OUR stocks before we move onto the main account that is starved in a few days.
this would usually be a one-gal-job and would produce 7kgold and 6(ish)k lumber per day x 10... a very welcome boost to any war effort me thinks...
With his supply lines cut and us gaining valuble cata gold we could do this within a week. we could not collo the 1 isle multies until tsunami, but if we so required fletten the main/wall/barrack/harbour in the meantime.
Moving onto the main account would be exactly the same but for the fact the we could fleetsteal at the same time....
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Post by Cesium on Jan 12, 2007 12:28:46 GMT
People, I can offer help in a special way. See, a friend gave me his account (it's right next to Tyrant) and though it dosn't have much of a fleet, I can use it to spy away. His fleet went to clearing 7:28:22, 2:78:1, and 500 spears of 2:79:16. So that may annoy him a tad. But I agree, the multis need to be taken out quickly. Not only because they can fight us, but because they could trick -S- members into fighting us. (by raising morale with big attacks)
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Post by Natmus on Jan 12, 2007 12:37:19 GMT
To start of with the question of the slave accounts, they are largely unknown. However, I have together with Aja taken down 5 single isle accounts that did nothing but produce stoners and catapults and shipped them off to parts unknown. I have never learned who the belong to. A couple of them, bbq and bbqd, started very early in the game.
If we could take the slaves first we would, but they are propably well hidden inside most other alliances.
Between the need for secrecy across the alliances involved, and our forces not quite up to the strength we used to play around with on the .uk server, we have to dumb down things a bit.
Our diplomacy is geared to try to keep the rest of -S- stand aside, as it's only directed at one player, and also to inform other friendly alliances inviting them to join the fun.
As this is the dumbed down version, and with defenses enjoying the advantages it does, we are hoping for the heavily defended isles to be taken down by many minor attacks, at around the 20-25 LWS level.
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Post by Arminius on Jan 12, 2007 12:40:22 GMT
Having had experience of taking down players much larger than myself I would suggest attaking his artireis first. This game is HEVILY weighted in favour of the cunning defender, that being the case attacking the main account that will be defended to the hilt would be daft. Unfortunately we can't plan that well, because we don't have full information on what the feeder accounts are, and other alliances have already to a large part decided on the basic plan, which is to take out that one account. It might be tricky to do, but if several hundred players are attacking we should manage. The main unknown factor is how the multi's alliance will react, but we'll be sending them messages that it's not a war against them but only against the cheater. Coordinating such a big war is not easy, and thus we can not use an ideal strategy as the one you have described. I'm afraid we don't have much choice.
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Post by Dalfiatach on Jan 12, 2007 13:11:24 GMT
Just a random thought....if we take a few Tyrant colonies we might get lucky and intercept incoming transports from a slave account. The more slaves we can identify the better...
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Post by Pose on Jan 12, 2007 13:53:23 GMT
If the only factor stopping us from performing the assault on our terms is organisation, and if your willing to let me take the lead(and can give me the consession of mounting the attack during the week) I will sit and work out the fine detail.
With the support of my mate little(sorry for roping you in) and obviously admirals, I think I can get us closer to a systematic attack then we seem to be(ie I have no specific orders, and have no idea of whom I will be fighting alonside)
The way I see it is this.
Ideally we will need to take out his main rescourse producers first, naturally these isles will be best defended so we will need to send our biggest foces here with the task of clearing troops and maybe a little collateral damage.
Secondly we will need a reserve force ready to go in to put the main houses/stores/wall down using any catas that come home from the first wave
Finally those of us that could not contribute large fleets or catas to the first two waves will already need to have sent collo attempts to the crippled isles.
To organise this we just need to collect info, then organise that into groups.
A)# of fleets @ our disposal of 100lws+ B)# of fleets @ 60lws+ C)# of fleets @ 25+ D)# of catas @ our disposal on A day E)# of collo ships @ our disposal on A day F)# of catas returning after 1st wave
Where (D) is added to (A) are devided by INITIAL targets (geographically if poss)
Then (F) added to (B) and sent to the same
Then (E) added to (C) and sent to the same
nope... i give up. im going to the pub for lunch ... your right this is a logistical nightmare over the 'tinternet.. Im willing to do whatever is decided best,, but as I play @ work i wont be of much use over the w/e bar mobile phone access.
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Post by Arminius on Jan 12, 2007 14:02:01 GMT
Your plan sounds great, and I'd be all in favour of doing that, only problem is that the attacks start this weekend. But for next time we should definitely plan it that way. Then we will hopefully all be in a better situation regarding fleets and cats.
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Post by Shendemiar on Jan 12, 2007 14:41:15 GMT
Its really encouraging to see these intelligent comments from FoM'ers. Good work.
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Jan 12, 2007 16:05:57 GMT
I should point out we've not decided on this timescale, ie launching tomorrow. Orc have decided they've had enough of Tyrunt and so are going to launch the attack, we decided it best to support them or we risk Tyrunt beating them up and taking their best isles, making him even stronger and perhaps untouchable.
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Post by ashimar on Jan 12, 2007 16:50:20 GMT
Yes, time is of the essence and otherwise we would be keeping postponing the whole thing, right ?
I do appreciate Pissed off Sarah's nicely worked out plan, but as said before, it's a nightmare logistically and there is no time. We'll have to use the much feared but oh so lovely improvisational project organization. No sleep at night. All behind the computer, all logged in, all firing away.
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Post by Nemesis on Jan 13, 2007 0:57:06 GMT
Unfortunately i will not be able to help out in this war tommorow and possibly the day after too. But i will certainly be ready to attack on re-runs or anything that still needs finishing off.
Reasons being that my windows vista has messed up and i need to wipe my computer and load the older windows on tomorow, to sort the problems out.
I should be able to get on a different computer tommorow, but i dont want to fight if i cant be certain about my full activity.
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