goen {31:30:4}

[kae]

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goen
8 hours ago
.Goen 31:30:4
this island has been cleared and colonized...

goen
8 hours ago
.Goen 31:30:4
because of the numerous attacks on my new island(7 and counting), I have been forced to put stonies on the island, if you can recall your coli fleet please do so, thnks


kae wrote:
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Well, because you decided to stone drop a perfectly spread-out colo fleet, which had it not been would have been useless regardless. I have little choice but to demand reparations for my ships and units.

It's an unfortunate situation, and I made sure to spread out the clearing/cat and colo fleet to give ample time if someone got there first.

goen
38 minutes ago
RE: RE: .Goen 31:30:4
bull, since you ignored my msgs and warnings of my intent to defend that isle, which i have now lost because of more players who refuse to be online and communicate with players when it is crucial, i must insist that you compensate me..


kae wrote:
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lol! You have got to me joking me. I send out the fleet last night (since we don't all live where you do), making sure to space it out over 4 hours, to give the rightful owner ample time to build. You stoner drop my colo fleet, and have the gull to ask ME for compensation?

If you lost it to someone else, who did sent cats with their colo fleet, take it back. Irregardless, I'd rather not forward such a cut and dry situation to the diplomats, and rather settle this amicably between the two of us.


goen
18 minutes ago
RE: RE: RE: RE: .Goen 31:30:4
I do plan on taking it back, and when going for built up islands you must accept some of the risks involved, I warned you in a msg that I had to stonie drop, from 3 players with cat attacks and rebuilding the m/h twice through the night. I am offering no compensation. If you feel you still need to pursue this than I have no problems with you taking this through diplomatic channels.


kae wrote:
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Alright. A stoney drop in unacceptable within those first 24 hours. Even had I been awake when you send those messages, there would have been no way for me to recall the fleets.

And irregardless of that, your stoney's would have been ineffective anyways. Essentially ensuring that it cost you more than it should have, and it cost me something it shouldn't have.

Sadly, I'll forward this on to the diplomats.

Can I get a diplomat on this one? This guy is absolutely nuts. He drops 750 stoners onto the island, and expects that to stop multiple (apparently) colo fleets. All it did was cause me damages on something that otherwise would have bounced harmlessly, and even if I had cats onboard of my fleet, they still would have wiped them out. I probably would have been better of to send cats with it!

[Clausewitz]

I haven't read something so completely ludacris from an established player in quite some time.

*shakes head with disbelief*

If he wanted to drop on it, he should have dropped big (5k+). Instead, he just wastes some pitiful number like 750 that are ineffective to defend the isle, and just serve to piss people off.

Anyhow, what kind of losses did you incur, kae?

[kae]

It's all in the database, but 34 LWS, 332 spears. Basically far too much for a pointless drop.

If I had cats on board, fine. If I sent them so they landed within 50 minutes of each other, fine. Neither was the case. I was going to bed, so I made sure there was AMPLE time between the two in case this situation arose. 4 hours, to be exact.

[McGoogus]

Wow. What an Scemo!. Because other people were sending cats with their colo fleets, you have to pay the price? Unacceptable. Minimum full compensation of everything you lost.

Cesium, you want this one? Not sure if you've handled a dispute yet and it'd be nice if all of the new diplomats got some experience.

[Clausewitz]

Maybe it's just an underhanded strategem?

"You dropped stoners and killed my colofleet! I expect reparations..."
"I want my stoners repaid! You violently killed them!"
"What?"
"Okay, fine, we'll call it even."

[kae]

haha. If that argument comes up, by even, clause obviously means either taking the isle, or leveling it completely.

[kae]

He's offered 30,000. I've told him I'll accept 44,000.

Basically, I'll accept my losses.

[kae]

Update:

goen wrote:
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I have other fish to fry over this island, I am offering 30000gold for your losses, will you accept that.


kae wrote:
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I will accept 44000.


goen wrote:
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counter offer 35000gold

kae wrote:
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And mine continues to stand. Look, I don't see a lot of room for negotiation here. I did everything by the book, even above it, in giving you ample time to build your main house. I'm sorry that other people didn't follow basic etiquette, but you stoner dropped a colo fleet that A) didn't need to be B) would have destroyed your stoners regardless.

I'm expecting full compensation on this matter.

goen wrote:
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i tried

kae wrote:
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And I appreciate that. You've got my full support in taking that isle back, but my colo ship would have bounced harmlessly had you not stonie dropped the isle. Thus, I'm owed full compensation. 44,000, and this whole thing will be over. You can deliver it in 5-10k shipments over the next week, if that makes things easier.

can I get a diplomat on this please? I asked Cesium, but I haven't heard back. (perhaps Driez was reading?)

[McGoogus]

I'll do it then

[eproxy]

Goen doesn't even seem to own the isle anymore

[kae]

Nope, one of those guys who sent cats with the fleet, and who is apparently still attacking. Nonetheless, not my problem!

[McGoogus]

Can I get some more input here? I just want to make sure I'm not the only one who thinks that kae did nothing wrong and was actually generous by leaving four hours between his cat and colo fleet. They're still saying that if anyone owes comp, it's kae!

[2kcastle]

Tell them its bullshit ! Goen deliberately stoner dropped in front of kae's colo ship knowing that there were no cats on board, and warning somebody that you mean to be a Stronzo! doesnt make you any less of a Stronzo! once you do it. kae couldn't have recalled his fleet when goen dropped the troops.

[McGoogus]

Well goen didn't know that cats werent on the colo fleet for certain, but that's no excuse to stoney drop a pact mate.

"If Kae had told Goen there were no cats on the colly fleet I'd agree, but he didn't! Despite being messaged several times by Goen."-Neptune

Goen messaged kae twice in an hour while he was sleeping. First message asking if there were cats. Second stating he dropped stonies on the isles.

I spoke with DragonsBane, a friend of mine, and I was sure I was going to get him to see our obvious points. Somehow it got handed over to Neptune and he's as incompetent as goen.

[kae]

Spies are in the water. Situation is escalating. Clause is getting trigger happy.

Twas the night before Christmas, all and through the house, nothing was moving, not even a mouse.
Then up through the ground, came a deep rumbling pound. Then everything stopped, giving pause, before up popped Clause!

On a more serious note, Valheru is not being terribly co-operative. McGoogus has all the details. Spies are in the water. He's spread out through O7, O21, and O31.