AeroS
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Post by AeroS on Aug 18, 2007 21:42:00 GMT
My wife says I'm all bark no bite and she is right. Just last night I sent out a colo without cats.
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Post by Gornall on Aug 19, 2007 21:31:06 GMT
Just an update really for everyone.
Very close to getting the isle back I think. We on negotiation rather than plain old defensive arguing lol! (so diplomatic)
He said he will speak to C_D about the isle, AeRoS already lost enough to this kind of thing to Digg (mainly due to their sheer size) as have most of us and its possibly about time digg took one for the team.
I'll keep pushing for the isle until they let up. Looking alot more promising than it was 2days ago though.
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Post by Pose on Aug 20, 2007 13:37:20 GMT
They seem to have have absolutly no intention of resolving this with the return of the isle.
During the days since it happened, while they have tittle tattled about something and nothing.. the isle has been stonerdropped. rendering it a costly venture to reclaim, even with the belessing of [DIGG] as a whole..
This in my oppinin is a firking terrible way to treat a pactmate.
Ihev put in the correct reading order..(top to bottom)
35mm 2½ hours ago Cruoi_Dabne/Areos Goodmorning, (well it is here in the UK)
I have been following the collo dispute between the above on our forums, and although another Diplo picked it up would have expected it have been resolved in favour of Areos regaining the isle by now.
Given the information I already have, this is a clear case of 'isle sniping' and as souch should not really need any deliberation to come to the reasonable resolution of returning the isle in question.
The facts as I have theam are: -your player cleard the isle days/weeks ago -He/she did not collo for that time. -the main was at LVL10 -your player sent only 2 catas
Given the above it appars that you player only attempted to collo once it was clear that another player had taken down the main and was about to do the same, 2 catas would have only been sufficciant to take the isle from the new owner and not clear the 10 LVL's previously mentioned.
Is there another issue that I am not aware of, delaying the return of this isle?
appologise for the rushed PM, but am late for an appointment @ wk
Reagards Pose
35mm 43 minutes ago RE: Yes I am. Your facts were close, here are a few corrections.
He cleared the islands some time ago yes.
He couldn't colonize it because it was a single players only island. He took it as soon as it went unowned.
Yes, the main was at 10.
He sent more cats that landed between AeRoS cat fleet and his colo fleet so they did not do any damage.
He did not intend to steal the island from anyone. He cleared it and tried to take it as soon as he could.
It is our belief that C_D has rights to the island because he cleared it, however I was told by Gornall that you do not respect the clearing of an island as having ownership, is this true?
C_D would really like to keep this island as it is in his main cluster and he doesn't have that many islands. He also (probably foolishly) put stone throwers there.
It is funny that I also thought this was an open and shut case, and we are in the right.
-35mm Hi thanks for the reply,
I had not known that the Isle had only just gone rulerless.
Nor did I know that C_D had infact sent a further fleet.
Im sure I can grab the info from somwhere, but if you have the time of the 'tsunami' that rendered the isle in question 'available/fair game' at hand that would be great.
Ordinarily clearence of an isle would pretty much be as good as slapping a flag on it, but in this case there seems to have been quite some time between the clearence and takover
surely such a claim can only last for a very short period of time- or are we to beleive that such a claim can now be open ended?
There seems to be a trend growing, with players belonging to alliances that claim not to use cats where not absoulutly nessassary but sending catas all the same.
I can see your players reluctance to give this isle up due to its positioning, but anyway you look at it-the isle was fairly taken in good faith by Aeros, we did not stonerdrop or use any other unconstructive tactic to hinder the return or even nagotiation process.
Thoughts?
POSE
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Post by Gornall on Aug 20, 2007 14:10:15 GMT
I was following the colo policy that inyati posted when I said that the clearing of the isle doesn't determine who has the claim.
His isles are close enough for him not to need to time the fleets when sending them which makes me suspect further that the isle was intentionallly sniped after the first attack showed no destruction.
They offered AeRoS 35k in exchange for the isle, promptly rejected as AeRoS wanted no compensation from the start.
How much he stonie dropped do we know?
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Pose
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Post by Pose on Aug 20, 2007 14:21:21 GMT
No, I didnt bother asking.... the fact that they stonie dropped at all was very bad form.
Latest... in correct order
35mm 36 minutes ago RE: RE: RE: lol Pose,
I am pretty sure that the island went ownerless right before both Aeros and C_D took it.
I find it is interesting that you now say that clearing an island gives you rights. Gornall was insisting that it doesn’t. That is what we were spinning our wheels about all this time.
On cat usage. We only disallow using cats on single point islands where there is no reason to send cats because the MH has to be at lvl 1 unless someone beat you there and you are trying to steal it. In this case the MH needed to be taken down so there is absolutely no reason not to send cats with the colo fleet.
I somewhat disagree that Aeros took the island in good faith. He had to of know someone cleared it, now matter how long ago. I also say that C_D did nothing wrong in this whatsoever.
Because of this and our alliances good relations I propose that C_D keep this island and he pay Aeros for his colo ship.
-35mm 35mm 15 minutes ago RE: lol I disagree, I can see no ligitimate reason for sending the cats with the collo attempt asuming that you player did infact send an attack between Aeros' and their own.
If this was the case then the main house would have been at LVL1 (wheather by C_D's or Aeros' doing) and the 2 catas could only have served the purpose of stealing a newly taken isle, so by default had to be hostile? and had to be pre meditated as a 'retake' by your player otherwise why send them?
Aslo I have to express how dissapointed I am with this whole 'stall and stonerdrop' thing, our alliances are on good terms so out of decency the isle should have been left 'as was' until the correct diplomatic channels had been exhasuted.
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Clausewitz
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Post by Clausewitz on Aug 20, 2007 16:14:45 GMT
DIGG increasingly annoys me.
It started when I spent months managing the 550+ members.
It escalated when Loafnut made the claim that my isles belonged not to me, but to DIGG, since they were developed under the DIGG tag.
It is reaching a boiling point with all these colo disputes in which they are unwilling to consider another perspective.
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Post by Gornall on Aug 20, 2007 17:09:11 GMT
35mm doesn't help the cause.
Both me and POSE agreed he was extremely arrogant in his earlier messages.
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Post by kae on Aug 20, 2007 17:30:50 GMT
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Post by 2kcastle on Aug 20, 2007 17:36:07 GMT
unless i'm wrong ( quite often the case ) he cleared that isle in order to farm it ! so if he has been farming it non stop for weeks then he should have made enough to cover his losses in clearing it. clearing an isle that you can't colonise is ridiculous unless oyu can farm it for a profit.
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Post by Gornall on Aug 20, 2007 17:37:44 GMT
Thats what I said, essentially he made his profits from clearing it.
It became a totally different situation since it became rulerless.
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Post by eproxy on Aug 20, 2007 21:35:34 GMT
I'd only figure in someones clearing of an isle previous to it being tsunami'ed if it was immediately before and done for reasons of war (and immediate colonisation), not for farming.
As for loafnut his suggestion of Clausewitz' isles belonging to Digg was rediculous; they might belong to Digg if you only colonised them whilst the clearer (a Digg member) was building some coloships. As that wasn't the case, you colonised them for yourself, the isles are yours. That said I've been having a conversation with Loafnut (about random stuff) and he seems a fairly alright guy.
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Post by AeroS on Aug 20, 2007 22:17:59 GMT
Cruoi_Dabne 4 days ago RE: Hello Yipes! Sorry that I missed your message - I was setting up a new computer monitor arm and had my monitors down on pillows. (Even so, I suspect that it would have been too late to recall the fleet - it was out of range).
I would much prefer to keep this island - I eliminated the defenders and the wall almost a month ago, when I first noticed that it was not being maintained. Then I farmed it solo for about two or three weeks (I'm assuming solo since I was getting the full 7000+ gold from it every day). Recently, I had noticed that someone else (you?) had been farming it, so I kept a diligent lookout for when it went rulerless, and launched a colo attempt almost immediately.
If necessary, we can refer this matter to the diplomats. However, I already have 2 islands in 32:38:xx, and I would very much like to keep this one.
All the best, CD *********************************************************** He got 7000 gold a day for 3 weeks out of that island and shared the farming with someone else for another week(not me). Aditionally, he hit it a month ago so it was probably still active when he destroyed this poor guy(not that I care right now) since it takes a month to get deleted. I think this pretty much kills his claim to clearing the island. He sent cats with his colo even though he knew that his previous cat attack would level the mainhouse. Those cats were intended to take the new owner out. He stoner dropped the island when he knew that we were disputing the island. This guy is all about hostile activity. I am just waiting for some one to let me loose to destroy him completely. Another DIGGers cats with colo has cost Calamity77 an island also.
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Post by Gornall on Aug 20, 2007 23:41:23 GMT
Yeh was discussing with POSE about the stonie drop.
Who in the right mind stonie drops an isle under dispute.
Possibly let 35mm know we taking the isle no matter what. Enough talk now, they stalled and stalled and now its stonie dropped.
Jokers.
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Post by Pose on Aug 21, 2007 9:37:27 GMT
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Post by Pose on Aug 21, 2007 12:09:20 GMT
I cannott access the link below from work as it is classified as 'usless' by the filter.. could anyone take a look and get the info in a format I can actually get at? Cruoi_Dabne 20 minutes ago RE: Cata attack tinyurl.com/2zvr7y - image hosted on imageshack.us Origin of both attacks was 32:37:17 Best, CD POSE wrote: ---------- Can you send me the report generated when your cata attack landed, times orgin etc? POSE
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