SkulkrinBait
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Sept 12, 2007 22:16:58 GMT
The Anti Multi Council was in theory a good idea but it's never really worked and that MK-5 account is sat doing nothing.
Anyone got some ideas how to make it work? I propose that the AMC moves onto it's own thread within the main IK forums so everyone can see what it is and how it works. If it becomes more visible it might start working.
The new forum would need to be read only apart from those in the council.
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digital
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Post by digital on Sept 12, 2007 22:27:53 GMT
For a start it might be worth detailing what your expectations are for MK-5. Also listing the members of the AMC would help.
A great way to get into the start of things would be to find a multi *cough*rk*cough* and make an example, if the account gets wiped out at least its done damage.
Maybe you should post the arsenal of the account, it may frighten people away from being a multi or starting any trouble.
The key to this is keeping people informed and up to date on the goings on of the AMC.
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Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Sept 12, 2007 22:33:38 GMT
Moving it to public forum is great idea.
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Sol
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Post by Sol on Sept 12, 2007 23:42:15 GMT
Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, but I am new to this Anti Multi Council and MK5 thing. I had a vague idea that something like it existed, but this probably happened while I was in SoH. Anyway, who currently makes up this council?Who has access to the account?
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Clausewitz
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Post by Clausewitz on Sept 12, 2007 23:44:46 GMT
Arminius is the current primary caretaker of MK-5; l3x-x (volker) used to co-manage the account for auditing purposes.
The council is composed of primarily Morkin, DIGG, and the Orcs, since they are the only ones who have remained active with it. Pain, Xianth, and pyscho_penguin (minus l337 sp33k spelling) are sparsely active on the Council, last I checked...
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Sol
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Post by Sol on Sept 12, 2007 23:59:47 GMT
I see... Given that the account would be used only for multi killing purposes because we want to improve this server, probably the best thing to do would be to have someone from each alliance (maybe top 20 or10) represent their alliance in the council. This way people think its "fair."
But, now that I think about it. It's complicated hhehe. I was going to say that if someone was going to be killed for being a multi, the council should post who and the evidence in the official forum.
But, this would probably be impossible because the more people on the council, the more chances are that you'll be attacking someone in their alliance...and if you don't have enough people on the council, people would think we're just cheaters...
So I dunno
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Shendemiar
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Post by Shendemiar on Sept 13, 2007 0:05:48 GMT
More like a poll to decide who gets attacked.
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Sol
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Post by Sol on Sept 13, 2007 0:14:11 GMT
hmmmm
Maybe Morkin can have sole "ownership" of the account. We become the ones responsible for finding evidence. We post the evidence on the official forums, and have the IK community vote.
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Post by kae on Sept 13, 2007 0:35:15 GMT
No, putting that much responsibility in the hands of one alliance only breeds mistrust and elitism.
Openness is needed. Having a top 15 quarem, and putting everything out in the open is the best way (in my opinion) to handle it. Open debate, open evidence, open decision making. Let each representative speak for their alliance, and also for themselves. Thus, through a democratic system, majority rules, and individualistic ideals are brought to the minimum.
The open nature would hinder corruption, and the discussion would bring accountability.
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SkulkrinBait
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Sept 13, 2007 11:58:26 GMT
I see... Given that the account would be used only for multi killing purposes because we want to improve this server, probably the best thing to do would be to have someone from each alliance (maybe top 20 or10) represent their alliance in the council. This way people think its "fair." But, now that I think about it. It's complicated hhehe. I was going to say that if someone was going to be killed for being a multi, the council should post who and the evidence in the official forum. But, this would probably be impossible because the more people on the council, the more chances are that you'll be attacking someone in their alliance...and if you don't have enough people on the council, people would think we're just cheaters... So I dunno That's pretty much how it works, but it needs to be more in the public domain as people don't know much about it and so it seems mysterious, shadowy and even tainted.
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Sept 13, 2007 13:48:31 GMT
Having the top-X alliances doesn't really work, as point scores are no good guide to activity. Morkin was always active in the AMC, and was for a while lower down the rankings. Then, Digg could split in 5 alliances, all in the top-10, and have 5 votes. I think it needs a 'constitution', and representatives need to be elected, apart from us of course And yes, it should move to the general IK forum, not be part of Digg's forum anymore.
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SkulkrinBait
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Post by SkulkrinBait on Sept 13, 2007 13:56:14 GMT
The problem with the AMC being on a private forum is that it just doesn’t seem to get visited often enough, I’ve already got a hundred and one forums to go to so I tend not to remember that one as much as I should. I know that’s my problem but I get the impression that this is a common issue among those members who represent all the alliances that comprise the AMC.
If it was moved onto the IK forums this would help solve the problem of representatives visiting and it would also give the IK community to see how the council works and they could offer suggestions to improve it.
The council would start to actually do something if the members visited it more often. Maybe.
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Sol
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Post by Sol on Sept 13, 2007 15:08:09 GMT
Well, how about we have the IK community vote on who should be part of this council? For example, they can nominate people, these people don't necessarily have to be in their alliance. This way, everyone agrees what the AMC is doing...and I guess some will argue that not everyone in IK would get to vote on this because not everyone goes to the public forums, but...that is really their problem. If they choose not to read the official forum and keep updated/participate for the improvement of the server, then they have really no right to complain once the AMC chooses to act. So lets assume that Morkin will handle elections. This is how I see it: 1. Morkin starts a thread that serves for ONLY nominations. 2. In this thread we can post an AMC Constitution 3. Now that the IK community has read the terms, they can nominate only ONE person on this thread with an explanation of why they nominate this person. A person cannot nominate himself/herself 4. Morkin starts another thread that includes all (or majority) of the nominations in a poll. 5. The tribe votes. 6. The highest 20ish, 15ish nominees become part of the AMC? 7. Once evidence is gathered to kill a multi, it should be posted on the official forums. Dunno how the AMC Constitution should work but it should probably state the following: AMC Constitution1. Purposes of the AMC and who is in the council 2. Accounts used by the AMC and who has access to such accounts. 3. Rules for election of the AMC: - Maximum of two AMC representatives per alliance.
- Elections will take place every _____.
- Only one nomination per player.
- All players have a right to nominate any player they like.
Terms for winners: - Members of the AMC understand that the AMC and its accounts are solely used for anti-multi operations.
- Using an AMC account to attack a player without proper evidence will be considered as cheating and the IK tribe has the right to take action against the AMC or AMC representative.
- If an AMC representative becomes a multi, the AMC and the IK community have the right to destroy his/her account once proper evidence is posted on the official forum.
- If you are an AMC member, you are required to participate in all AMC conversations. While there are legit excuses to miss an AMC gathering, if this behaviour becomes constant the AMC has the right to kick a representative that does not actively participate.
If an AMC representative is expelled from his duties, the next highest popular nominee will take his place.
- All AMC representatives must pay Sol tribute, preferably in catapults....
4. For the purposes of catching a multi, the AMC has the right to hold private conversations until proper evidence is gathered to post on the official forum. 5. The AMC is responsible for updating this document. Man...that took forever to type.
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Arminius
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Post by Arminius on Sept 13, 2007 15:11:25 GMT
The problem I see is: how do we make sure we keep being in control, even if we're in a minority...?
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Sol
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Post by Sol on Sept 13, 2007 15:13:16 GMT
Hmmmm
Because Morkin handles elections, they are allowed to have once representative for each of their alliances...so that would be 4....double the amount of the average alliance.
Or we can make it once representative per alliance, but we get 4 automatically.
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