The case of the stolen goods....

[inyati]

IMMORTAL QUAD (7):

Planetary Information

Target Coordinates 001:01:2:21
Alpha Centauri
Timestamp News Message
05-Sep-2006 02:01 Construction of Plutonium Extractor completed
04-Sep-2006 22:01 Queued building of Plutonium Extractor starting
04-Sep-2006 22:01 Construction of Aluminium Extractor completed
04-Sep-2006 18:01 Queued building of Aluminium Extractor starting
04-Sep-2006 18:01 Construction of Weapons Factory completed
04-Sep-2006 10:01 Queued building of Weapons Factory starting
04-Sep-2006 10:01 Construction of Weapons Factory completed
07-Aug-2006 16:35 A geological probe from coordinates [001:01:2:19] was detected. The probe failed
07-Aug-2006 16:35 A geological probe from coordinates [001:01:2:19] was detected. The probe failed
07-Aug-2006 16:35 A geological probe from coordinates [001:01:2:19] was detected. The probe failed
07-Aug-2006 16:35 A geological probe from coordinates [001:01:2:19] was detected. The probe failed
07-Aug-2006 12:46 A geological probe from coordinates [001:01:2:19] was detected. The probe failed
04-Aug-2006 11:30 A geological probe from coordinates [001:01:3:11] was detected. The probe failed
23-Jun-2006 06:20 A geological probe from coordinates [001:01:1:03] was detected. The probe failed

Planetary Information

Target Coordinates 001:01:2:22
Vistarion Star
Timestamp News Message
30-Jul-2006 16:00 Construction of Quantum Reactor completed
23-Jun-2006 06:21 A geological probe from coordinates [001:01:1:03] was detected. The probe failed

Planetary Information

Target Coordinates 001:01:2:23
Source Outpost STK
Timestamp News Message
04-Sep-2006 07:02 Construction of Science Research Center completed
04-Sep-2006 03:02 Queued building of Science Research Center starting
04-Sep-2006 03:02 Construction of Building Research Center completed
03-Sep-2006 23:01 Queued building of Building Research Center starting
03-Sep-2006 23:01 Construction of Silica Extractor completed
03-Sep-2006 19:01 Queued building of Silica Extractor starting
03-Sep-2006 19:01 Construction of Aluminium Extractor completed
27-Aug-2006 12:32 A planetary probe from an unknown location was detected. The probe was successful
24-Aug-2006 20:48 A ground probe from an unknown location was detected. The probe was successful
21-Aug-2006 19:32 A planetary probe from an unknown location was detected. The probe was successful
05-Aug-2006 04:53 A geological probe from coordinates [001:01:2:19] was detected. The probe failed
04-Aug-2006 11:34 A geological probe from coordinates [001:01:3:11] was detected. The probe failed
03-Jul-2006 17:37 A geological probe from coordinates [001:01:2:03] was detected. The probe failed
03-Jul-2006 17:37 A geological probe from coordinates [001:01:2:03] was detected. The probe failed

[inyati]

IMMORTAL QUAD (8):

Planetary Information

Target Coordinates 001:01:2:24
Horsforth
Timestamp News Message
12-Sep-2006 09:01 Queued building of Unit Factory starting
12-Sep-2006 09:01 Construction of Quantum Reactor completed
11-Sep-2006 21:01 Queued building of Quantum Reactor starting
11-Sep-2006 21:01 Construction of Unit Factory completed
11-Sep-2006 13:01 Queued building of Unit Factory starting
11-Sep-2006 13:01 Construction of Unit Factory completed
11-Sep-2006 05:01 Queued building of Unit Factory starting
11-Sep-2006 05:01 Construction of Unit Factory completed
10-Sep-2006 23:01 Insufficient weapons in stock to build 300 Shadow Class Fighters from queue. Queue cancelled!
10-Sep-2006 21:01 Queued building of Unit Factory starting
10-Sep-2006 21:01 Construction of Unit Factory completed
10-Sep-2006 13:01 Queued building of Unit Factory starting
10-Sep-2006 13:01 Construction of Unit Factory completed
10-Sep-2006 07:58 Recalled - Fleet of 7493 ships (6133+1360 cloaked) recalled home from Otley[001:01:2:03] ETA 6 hours
10-Sep-2006 05:01 Queued building of Unit Factory starting
10-Sep-2006 05:01 Construction of Unit Factory completed
09-Sep-2006 21:01 Queued building of Unit Factory starting
09-Sep-2006 21:01 Construction of Unit Factory completed

Planetary Information

Target Coordinates 001:01:2:25
Wimpson
Timestamp News Message
12-Sep-2006 09:26 Friendly - Fleet of 9 ships (9+0 cloaked) launched. Heading to Wimper [001:01:2:04] ETA 6 hours
11-Sep-2006 20:16 Friendly - Fleet of 136 ships (136+0 cloaked) launched. Heading to Wimpish [001:01:2:32] ETA 4 hours
11-Sep-2006 20:15 Friendly - Fleet of 60 ships (60+0 cloaked) launched. Heading to Wimper [001:01:2:04] ETA 5 hours
11-Sep-2006 08:04 Friendly - Fleet of 12 ships (12+0 cloaked) launched. Heading to Wimper [001:01:2:04] ETA 6 hours
23-Jun-2006 06:24 A geological probe from coordinates [001:01:1:03] was detected. The probe failed
23-Jun-2006 06:24 A geological probe from coordinates [001:01:1:03] was detected. The probe failed

Planetary Information

Target Coordinates 001:01:2:26
Planet PD
Timestamp News Message
11-Sep-2006 08:01 Construction of Kalamite Extractor completed
11-Sep-2006 04:01 Queued building of Kalamite Extractor starting
11-Sep-2006 04:01 Construction of Kalamite Extractor completed
11-Sep-2006 00:01 Queued building of Kalamite Extractor starting
11-Sep-2006 00:01 Construction of Kalamite Extractor completed
10-Sep-2006 20:01 Queued building of Kalamite Extractor starting
10-Sep-2006 20:01 Construction of Landing Pad completed
10-Sep-2006 04:01 Construction of Silica Extractor completed
10-Sep-2006 00:01 Queued building of Silica Extractor starting
10-Sep-2006 00:01 Construction of Silica Extractor completed
09-Sep-2006 20:01 Queued building of Silica Extractor starting
09-Sep-2006 20:01 Construction of Silica Extractor completed
09-Sep-2006 16:01 Queued building of Silica Extractor starting
09-Sep-2006 16:01 Construction of Steel Extractor completed
04-Aug-2006 11:29 A geological probe from coordinates [001:01:3:11] was detected. The probe failed
04-Aug-2006 11:29 A geological probe from coordinates [001:01:3:11] was detected. The probe failed
03-Aug-2006 12:43 A planetary probe from coordinates [001:01:3:11] was detected. The probe failed
03-Aug-2006 12:43 A planetary probe from coordinates [001:01:3:11] was detected. The probe failed

[inyati]

IMMORTAL QUAD (9):

Planetary Information

Target Coordinates 001:01:2:27
Planet Ex.R.K
Timestamp News Message
12-Sep-2006 05:01 Construction of Kalamite Extractor completed
12-Sep-2006 01:01 Queued building of Kalamite Extractor starting
12-Sep-2006 01:01 Construction of Kalamite Extractor completed
11-Sep-2006 21:01 Queued building of Kalamite Extractor starting
11-Sep-2006 21:01 Construction of Kalamite Extractor completed
11-Sep-2006 17:01 Queued building of Kalamite Extractor starting
11-Sep-2006 17:01 Construction of Kalamite Extractor completed
10-Sep-2006 20:01 Insufficient resources to build Kalamite Refinery from queue. Queue cancelled
10-Sep-2006 20:01 Construction of Landing Pad completed
10-Sep-2006 04:01 Construction of Kalamite Extractor completed
10-Sep-2006 00:01 Queued building of Kalamite Extractor starting
10-Sep-2006 00:01 Construction of Kalamite Extractor completed
09-Sep-2006 20:01 Queued building of Kalamite Extractor starting
09-Sep-2006 20:01 Construction of Kalamite Extractor completed
09-Sep-2006 16:01 Queued building of Kalamite Extractor starting
09-Sep-2006 16:01 Construction of Kalamite Extractor completed

Planetary Information

Target Coordinates 001:01:2:28
Lump of Rock
Timestamp News Message
12-Sep-2006 16:37 A planetary information probe from coordinates [001:02:4:04] was detected. The probe failed
19-Jun-2006 10:17 A geological probe from coordinates [001:01:2:10] was detected. The probe failed

Planetary Information

Target Coordinates 001:01:2:29
Unable to launch probe. Either you do not have any, or a stock release could not be completed.

Blast!!!

[inyati]

50 Probes were not enough
and nothing found....

I'm wondering if it appears in the news centre at all. Anyone know for sure?

[SkulkrinBait]

I've never had any news to say my matter catchers caught anything. Perhaps we could do a test, I'll target one of our members or vice versa and see what happens?

[inyati]

skulkrinbait said:

I've never had any news to say my matter catchers caught anything. Perhaps we could do a test, I'll target one of our members or vice versa and see what happens?

Yes we need a test. If you could target someone and then notify me to probe him and see if anyting pops up from the info probes.

[Harlequin]

Errr... after all that, I'm not sure that matter theft is recorded in a planet's news

I remember that when Old Rusty pinched from me I got info about his planet in my news. I've built a fair few Signal Boosters on Carormand (my victim planet) but no luck as yet.

Roger, which resources do you need most to replenish those Info Probes?

[inyati]

I've already ordered another 50, thanks. Info probes are expensive but I find their biggest problem is in the time it takes to make them: 10 hours is a loong time.

[Raven]

timbus said:

Errr... after all that, I'm not sure that matter theft is recorded in a planet's news

I remember that when Old Rusty pinched from me I got info about his planet in my news. I've built a fair few Signal Boosters on Carormand (my victim planet) but no luck as yet.

Roger, which resources do you need most to replenish those Info Probes?

You need to build interference generators to block Matter catchers. Signal boosters have no effect on the success or failure of Matter Catchers pointing at you.

Signal boosters if you are trying improve your chances of Matter catching and probing.

[Raven]

From OR Fourm

chanceAdjustment = ( ( Boosters + 5 ) / 5 ) / ( IGens + 1 )

actualChance = baseChance * chanceAdjustment

So, this formula is now applied to probe chances. The +5 and +1 in the chance adjustment formula are added to ensure we never have 0 in either operand of the divisions. The /5 gives the factor by which IGens are compared to Boosters. So, you need 5 Boosters to return the chance to its base if the target has 1 IGen.

So how is this used to affect the matter catcher scenario.

This is where it gets complicated. We have considered an awful lot about matter catchers and matter transports and we have taken on board many of the ideas Welshdragon, Tibbit and Se7en mentioned in their posts. So here they are.

• Catcher can now target 5 planets
  
• Transporter needs 5 minutes to charge up before it can be used again
  
• With 1 catcher target, base catch chance is 80%. Each successive target reduces this by 15%
  
• chanceAdjustment is calculated (IGens = Number of planet sending matter, Boosters = Number of planet with catcher) and applied to the base catch chance
  
• Same chance adjustment is applied to a base theft percentage to determine how much that catcher steals
  
• There is a 30% chance that the stream will break down during transport. If the stream breaks down upto 50% of the transfer could be lost
  
• If theft occurs, you could lose between 20-70% of the transfer (after loses through stream breakdown have been taken into account)
  
• Maximum of 500000 of each resource and 50000 of each weapon can be transfer in a single operation ('ALL' checkboxes have been replaced with 'Max' checkboxes)
  
• To get coordinates of stealers, you must have a running IAgency on the planet sending the transfer
  
• You are not guaranteed to get the coordinates of thiefs... if the chance adjustement is in their favour (ie. > 1 - Meaning their Boosters overpower your IGens) then you won't get their coordinates. Only if it is tipped in your favour (ie. < 1 - Meaning your IGens overpower their Boosters) will you get their coordinates if you have a running IAgency
  
• Transport now takes into account resource and weapon caps on target planet and any planets that steal from it
  

As a side note, we should point out that IGens and Boosters continue to operate... even when a planet is abandoned, meaning you may not be able to scan an abandoned planet with a geo probe to ascertain its resource distribution.

[Harlequin]

Thanks for that.

I'll start on the IG's right away.

[SkulkrinBait]

inyati said:

skulkrinbait said:

I've never had any news to say my matter catchers caught anything. Perhaps we could do a test, I'll target one of our members or vice versa and see what happens?

Yes we need a test. If you could target someone and then notify me to probe him and see if anyting pops up from the info probes.

I've targetted your main, or is this not worth doing any more?

[Harlequin]

I honestly don't think that theft appears as news. Using your own (IG heavy) Intel Agency seems the only way to do it...



...so I am

[SkulkrinBait]

Oh dear, will you look at this, from Salonae:

Transfer Partially Completed
Matter theft occured. 25000 units of Silica, 15000 units of Titanium, 25000 units of Uranium stolen during transfer by 1 planet.
The Intelligence Agency at the origin obtained 1 set of coordinates. These are [001:01:2:15] GALLIMAUFRY

Is this a valid pretext to go to war? I think so!

;D

[SkulkrinBait]

That's nos planet, a member of ROR.

I can't hit him as he is just outside the 60% rule, but only just - who wants some ships?

;D