Best form of defence?

[SkulkrinBait]

I'm wondering whether it's best to build PDS to defend my planets or concentrate on more factories to produce more ships to attack any potential enemies.

Which do you think best?

[inyati]

I also wonder if its worthwhile building any PDS?
They are easily wiped out from space. It seem that ground units are far more effective at defending the planets surface than PDS.
And the skys are best defended with ships....

[Harlequin]

inyati said:

I also wonder if its worthwhile building any PDS?
They are easily wiped out from space. It seem that ground units are far more effective at defending the planets surface than PDS.
And the skys are best defended with ships....

I'm not sure...

This is the Pds I have on my home planet:

Disruptor Tower (TR-RE-BA) 15
Electron Beam (FL-DE-CR) 21
Laser Tower (CY-TA-RL) 1
Neutron Blaster (FI-FR-CO) 24
Proton Beam (CR-BA-CA) 12
Pulse Laser Tower (RL-ME-CY) 9
UV Laser Turret (ME-CY-TA) 18

I would hope that they would make a reasonable attempt at slowing down any attacks.

Just been thinking...are there any circumstances in which any enemy ground troops could land on a home planet? If an enemy fleet was set to "attack" orders and had ground forces, would they land? Or is a home planet immune to ground attacks?

[inyati]

timbus said:

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I'm not sure...

This is the Pds I have on my home planet:

Disruptor Tower (TR-RE-BA) 15
Electron Beam (FL-DE-CR) 21
Laser Tower (CY-TA-RL) 1
Neutron Blaster (FI-FR-CO) 24
Proton Beam (CR-BA-CA) 12
Pulse Laser Tower (RL-ME-CY) 9
UV Laser Turret (ME-CY-TA) 18

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A big fleet of gamma Frigates and Dragon Destroyers in one tick. (1500 of each) could take out all PDS without being harmed,
or using plan z, suffer the lose of some TR from the disrupter towers, land an invasion force of 30000 cyborgs.......

[inyati]

Well thats coming from an unexperiente attacker, so might not be the best guess ;D

[Harlequin]

inyati said:

Well thats coming from an unexperiente attacker, so might not be the best guess ;D

No, I think you're right - PDS are vulnerable on their own. However. alarge fleet of defenders, with a large PDS force ought to be OK.

P.S Are you ready to invade now Roger?

[inyati]

I'll respond elsewhere

[inyati]

timbus said:

inyati said:

Well thats coming from an unexperiente attacker, so might not be the best guess ;D

No, I think you're right - PDS are vulnerable on their own. However. alarge fleet of defenders, with a large PDS force ought to be OK.

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I think that its safe to say (from our experience and esspecial from my attempt of invading Slowmotion) that its essencial to have a strong ground force. Ultimatly its this force that will defend the planet.

Come to think about it I'm now wondering if its worthwhile building any ships at all beside transports

Well maybe anti-TR ships and a sh.it load of spirits to freeze everything in space ;D

[SkulkrinBait]

Genius! Build just TRs and some anti TRs and loads of ground units, forget everything else.

I'm going to try that if I play OR3, do you mind me stealing your idea?

;D

[SkulkrinBait]

I suppose some anti-PDS ships would be handy too........

[SkulkrinBait]

You'd need a "normal" fleet to knock out enemy fleets based at home planets too, so maybe this idea isn't totally workable, but with modification..........

[Perun]

inyati said:

timbus said:

....

I'm not sure...

This is the Pds I have on my home planet:

Disruptor Tower (TR-RE-BA) 15
Electron Beam (FL-DE-CR) 21
Laser Tower (CY-TA-RL) 1
Neutron Blaster (FI-FR-CO) 24
Proton Beam (CR-BA-CA) 12
Pulse Laser Tower (RL-ME-CY) 9
UV Laser Turret (ME-CY-TA) 18

.....

A big fleet of gamma Frigates and Dragon Destroyers in one tick. (1500 of each) could take out all PDS without being harmed,
or using plan z, suffer the lose of some TR from the disrupter towers, land an invasion force of 30000 cyborgs.......

How did you get to these conclusions...?

Granted, 1500 destroyers are a tremendous force, but it takes ages to build them and they cost an arm and a leg. Frigates alone would suffer some damage, but it would take few ticks (at least 3) to destroy all Skulks's PDSs.

Disruptors are harmless to ships, they are EMP weapon.

But I generally agree - all you really need for a successful invasion is a lot of transports, a lot of ground troops (including lots of tanks, because cyborgs cannot target RLs and MAVs), and a reasonably large fleet of supporting fighters (venoms are best [they target all anti-TR ships!]; bullets, vipers and adders are OK), no heavy ships are needed.


I tried a two-wave invasion and it proved really good, but I fuc.ked up with second wave - allocated too few transports. Scemo!.

First wave is cyborg-only. They are used to wipe out defending cyborgs, tanks and PDSs. It is supported by fighter fleet to get rid of anti-TR ships.

Second wave is heavy-artillery-only. They are used to finish off remaining MAVs and RLs (and tanks and PDSs, if any). Small fighter fleet can come in handy.

Depending on enemy forces, it is wise to launch second wave at least 2 hours later.

[inyati]

perun said:

inyati said:

A big fleet of gamma Frigates and Dragon Destroyers in one tick. (1500 of each) could take out all PDS without being harmed,
or using plan z, suffer the lose of some TR from the disrupter towers, land an invasion force of 30000 cyborgs.......

How did you get to these conclusions...?

Granted, 1500 destroyers are a tremendous force, but it takes ages to build them and they cost an arm and a leg. Frigates alone would suffer some damage, but it would take few ticks (at least 3) to destroy all Skulks's PDSs.

Disruptors are harmless to ships, they are EMP weapon.

But I generally agree - all you really need for a successful invasion is a lot of transports, a lot of ground troops (including lots of tanks, because cyborgs cannot target RLs and MAVs), and a reasonably large fleet of supporting fighters (venoms are best [they target all anti-TR ships!]; bullets, vipers and adders are OK), no heavy ships are needed.
.....

I did a quick math based on two possible ways of invading in only one tick regardless of how much time and resourses it would take to pass only though HoH's PDS.

First senario: Planet Bombing.
no pds has FR's and DE's as their first targets....so I need those...granted a sh.it load of them

Second senario: Planet Invasion with no bombing.
All pds would need to be destroyed by ground units regardless of what they target for an invasion to be successful....granted you also need a sh.it load of them

Now imagine the planet with a very big ground force and no PDS...I guess someone would have to do the maths..To have the same amount of armour score as the PDS (still using HoH's data) you would need ....10K cyborgs? How much does it take to build them, and is it worthwhile?

Probably

[inyati]

There is probably no good answer for this thread's question and all these theorys might confuse all, but I've got another one which, in a way I've been preparing.

One good planet defence system could be using spirit class ships supported by PDS instead of ships.

You could divide each type of Spirit class ship into 3 squadrons each targeted in a sequential manner, ie:

Fighters:
Spirit Squad 1 (FI-CO-FR)
Spirit Squad 2 (CO-FR-FI)
Spirit Squad 3 (FR-FI-CO)

Frigates
Spirit Squad 1 (DE-FR-CO)
Spirit Squad 2 (FR-CO-DE)
Spirit Squad 3 (CO-DE-FR)

Cruisers
Spirit Squad 1 (FL-BA-CR)
Spirit Squad 2 (BA-CR-FL)
Spirit Squad 3 (CR-FL-BA)

OBJECTIVE: Freeze an attack fleet and let the PDS (and SS) slowly shoot down the agreesores.
All ships types are targeted in every tick....but notice however that spirits dont target TR's...

[SkulkrinBait]

I reckon (no firm calculations as yet) it's worth having a small number of PDS but mainly Cyborgs and small numbers of other ground units.