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Post by Perun on Oct 30, 2005 22:21:35 GMT
None of us have truly escaped this unscathed. Though I doubt if you'll believe me, this has caused me a great deal of grief. But if it isn't let alone, then it won't end. This situation needed, and now has, some closure. It no longer needs to be drawn out. I'm OK with "let alone", but not with "forgotten". And why wouldn't I believe you? Or are you already implying something?
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Post by Hessari on Oct 30, 2005 23:14:23 GMT
I'm OK with "let alone", but not with "forgotten". And why wouldn't I believe you? Or are you already implying something? I'm not implying anything, I assure you. *Laughs* I've spoken to far to many incredulous people as of late, I suppose it has gotten to me. And that is good to hear, it doesn't need to be forgotten.
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Post by Perun on Oct 31, 2005 9:14:26 GMT
Well, that is true. There are too many lies and deceit in IK. And I'm not talking about he-who's-name-we'll-not-mention. All these kids are just trying to steal something from another without working on their own. Machiavelli would be proud.
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Post by Xuratoth on Oct 31, 2005 10:06:34 GMT
The one that bugged me was that it took me so long to check the forum posts - I had checked emails and cross referenced with IM IP's - but had drawn a blank.... I think I forgot about the Forum posts because we deleted the DL account - and I wonder if that is why (s)he asked us to delete the account. Sheldon probably knew that we could trace the IP's and wanted rid of the account... It was late last night that I rememered that even though the account is deleted, the posts remain.. and bingo... I did also need him to email me, which didn't happen until after we spoke on the phone.. Another thing Chris - do you remember that DL asked me to delete "her" M/MU game and forum accounts. When I said that I could not access the database and that I would ask you, "she" asked me not to, said that "she" wanted me to do it. But I had already asked you by then. I thought that odd at the time, but not enough to dwell on. I was always one of the more trusting/accepting/(naive!) ones. I still believed "her" right up until you came up with your cross-referencing. The whole thing makes me very sad. But most of all, I feel for the real Carol. Poor woman. I agree with the comments above - she has been through enough and should be left alone.
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Post by merlin on Oct 31, 2005 12:03:45 GMT
The one that bugged me was that it took me so long to check the forum posts - I had checked emails and cross referenced with IM IP's - but had drawn a blank.... I think I forgot about the Forum posts because we deleted the DL account - and I wonder if that is why (s)he asked us to delete the account. Sheldon probably knew that we could trace the IP's and wanted rid of the account... It was late last night that I rememered that even though the account is deleted, the posts remain.. and bingo... I did also need him to email me, which didn't happen until after we spoke on the phone.. Another thing Chris - do you remember that DL asked me to delete "her" M/MU game and forum accounts. When I said that I could not access the database and that I would ask you, "she" asked me not to, said that "she" wanted me to do it. But I had already asked you by then. I thought that odd at the time, but not enough to dwell on. I was always one of the more trusting/accepting/(naive!) ones. I still believed "her" right up until you came up with your cross-referencing. The whole thing makes me very sad. But most of all, I feel for the real Carol. Poor woman. I agree with the comments above - she has been through enough and should be left alone. Yes, I asked her about that at the time I she said she just didn't want to bother me! I was also trusting, I wouldn't use the word Naive for either of us, I think that neither of us had any real reason to not trust or to suspect her of anything... I for one never mentioned jumping into the sack with her... can everyone say the same! EDIT: would changed to wouldn't
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Post by Perun on Oct 31, 2005 12:38:45 GMT
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Post by Shendemiar on Oct 31, 2005 13:02:36 GMT
I was always one of the more trusting/accepting/(naive!) ones. I still believed "her" right up until you came up with your cross-referencing. Thats a valuable gift.
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Post by Arminius on Oct 31, 2005 13:13:55 GMT
But it can make you look like an utter fool. I had a detailed chat with PF after he left Morkin. He must have thought it to be very amusing. With LH I was not so sure, though. Her messages to me were rather shallow. Presumably difficult to credibly maintain multiple personalities, even as a RPGer.
And I was extremely suspicious when approached by lovelybutterfIy, just on the grounds that she had an alias that sounded like "I'm female, I'm vulnerable, I'm all alone, can you help me?" Maybe she is, maybe she isn't.
It just worries me for my children. I shall have to teach them that there is evil out there soonish, as they will probably learn about the internet in a few years. How do I explain to them that you cannot trust anybody, yet you have to in order to achieve anything? If it's that hard for us, how will a child be able to cope?
On the positive side, I am now much more aware of these issues...
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Post by Perun on Oct 31, 2005 13:27:53 GMT
Good thinking, Oliver.
At last! ;D
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Post by blaydwoman on Oct 31, 2005 19:56:15 GMT
i too dont want what to say about this.. i am angry that my friends lied to me and let me put myslef on the chopping block for them all the while never telling me thr truth when asked. as for how do you teach children to trust when you dont know who to trust? well then, you just tell them to trust a person until they are proven not proven trustworthy. at least that what im teaching my son.
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Post by eviljww3 on Nov 1, 2005 2:12:05 GMT
But it can make you look like an utter fool. Yes but you just have to except that you are the better person. And I was extremely suspicious when approached by lovelybutterfIy, just on the grounds that she had an alias that sounded like "I'm female, I'm vulnerable, I'm all alone, can you help me?" Maybe she is, maybe she isn't. I hope you are not suspicious of her now, she is very definitely not a Sheldon persona, but is one of the other Hawk members girlfriend. It just worries me for my children. I shall have to teach them that there is evil out there soonish, as they will probably learn about the internet in a few years. How do I explain to them that you cannot trust anybody, yet you have to in order to achieve anything? If it's that hard for us, how will a child be able to cope? As you say you are more aware of it now but I don't think it was ever much easier, when to trust, who to trust are some of the most difficult concepts a child has to grapple with. Definitely teach them to trust though. It is ones who dont trust that wind up using others trust against them and being untrustworthy since they don't value or expect it from others. Also it is worth noting here that Sheldon is far from the worst evil the internet or real life presents.
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Post by NoroiNingyo on Nov 1, 2005 5:20:41 GMT
The opinion of somebody not involved in this mess. Why don't we sell this story? It could become a best seller!
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Post by Natmus on Nov 1, 2005 8:30:43 GMT
The opinion of somebody not involved in this mess. Why don't we sell this story? It could become a best seller! "The DarkLady Code" and the sequel "DarkLady decoded"? ;D
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Post by soiram on Nov 1, 2005 8:55:07 GMT
We can ask Sidney Sheldon to write it ;D
Sydney as in Australia? Sheldon as in Nutcase? ;D
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Post by merlin on Nov 1, 2005 9:09:28 GMT
Also it is worth noting here that Sheldon is far from the worst evil the internet or real life presents. Yes, remember Sheldon never really solicited anything out of anyone other than conversation etc... ( Except possibly hitting on a few girls ). It's a pisser yes, but I hold no bad will against him. In the end, it all turned out far less sinister than it was looking when it all started to unfold. It seems it was just something that got out of control...
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