[HAWK] Treaty

[soiram]

Soemone implemented a one-way treaty with [HAwk].

Is this a mistake? Under what circumstances do we have a treaty with them? I don't remember it beign agreed, and they certainly haven't listed us in their treaties.

Unless I hear something today I am removing it without further notice.

There!

[Arminius]

soiram said:

Soemone implemented a one-way treaty with [HAwk].

It's me who's to blame... From before I went on holiday I had some exchanges with PF, and we had talked about a treaty, which then never materialised. I've followed it up now, and they were still interested, so I asked a diplomat to look into it.

I assume that they will also implement that treaty.

My reasoning was that it would give us a stronger position against DL; Hawk would then see that we haven't got anything against them, and it would also calm things down after that spying incident.

It also seems that we've got a lot of common friends, ie alliances that have treaties with both us and hawk.

[soiram]

OK, but since this is a somewhat tricky situation I would suggest we follow standard treaty procedures.

As I remember it was something like:
1) Announce it here
2) Wait for any objections
3) Send standard "no war involvement" text
4) Make sure its bilateral
5) Implement.

So, any objections people?

[Natmus]

Cancel it. We don't need them, and if we did they wouldn't lift a finger for us. They only take, never give.

[Shendemiar]

God thanks we have another thread here!

Just put up few more...

[Highlander]

I say go for it, its only a peace treaty not a pact or an alliance.

I don't think we have anything to lose.

I don't think we have plans to attack them anytime soon anyway.

What do we gain?

Well apart from really annoying, DL if she decides to try and have a pop at one of us she will be breaking her own alliance rules.

Which would hopefully mean she would then be booted out into the wilderness and show everybody where the problems really were. A fact that would not go un noticed by the other big players she is friendly with.

a cunning plan, we don't lose anything but maybe keep DL out of our hair for a while until we are in a position where the mighty sword of good smites those who have wronged us thus far(ah the sweet smell of revenge). ;D

[Natmus]

I think this is an issue where a poll would be very suited. We need to hear from our more silent members.

[Highlander]

yes why not but it would be fun to wind her up for a change and we don't have to be friendly with them just a non aggression deal which does not affect us much anyway.

It would rather tie her hands slightly don't you think he-he.(mind games rule)

[Natmus]

DarkLady is not a member of [Hawk] or [TheOrg]. She was considered for membership of A~M a while back, but she is still without alliance.

Her cloned sister LadyHawke is still in Hawk, which is one of the reasons we should should keep our distance from them.

[Highlander]

ah so many alias.

Bollocks what a waste of a perfectly good wind up then.

i should really keep up with the politics, oops ;D ;D ;D

nevermind then, not fussed what way it goes.

[Arminius]

Alright, I think I misjudged public opinion about this treaty

I agree that we don't gain much, in that I don't believe they would come to our aid in times of war. But as I said, it's more of a diplomatic instrument in that it advertises that we have nothing against them, and are able to ignore the personal dealings of a person associated with them.

And, what do we lose? Nothing! I must admit I'm getting a bit tired of all this paranoia and attention we pay to DorkLady. If she's looking for attention she's getting loads here, even though she probably doesn't realise this.

Why don't we put DL behind us? We don't care about her, do we? We got on well with PF, and in retrospect I can understand the dilemma he had with the alliances, and I'm prepared to believe him. From what I can see on the hawk forum (not sure if I can see everything, though) they are not hostile towards us, and they're mainly PF's friends, not DL's.

So, in a way hawk are the alliance of a former Morkin member and his friends, and apart from having loose ties (very loose apparently) with DL they're just like any other alliance.

Opinions? I didn't think it would warrant a poll, as we didn't do that with other treaties either.

[Highlander]

i dont mind either way.

We dont gain much but we dont lose anything either.

I agree it would show no hard feelings and so long as we are all aware that their are no bonding ties why not, i personally see no harm in it.

[Arminius]

I also think they're not planning on waging any large scale wars; they seem to have some doves amongst them (verith) who actively pushes towards peaceful solutions. And in case of a war, I think we're all getting ready for smaller skirmishes anyway, aren't we?

We probably ought to think about it again if they don't make it a bilateral treaty. But being on American time I'd guess they're all still asleep...

[Starshatter]

I implemented it I'm afraid. Apologies all round. Blacknight will be putting us on their list when he gets back online. I responded to the maxim, "keep your friends close, but your enemies closer".

Its not a pact, I just thought it would be good jiggery pokery - we don't hold grudges etc. etc., until such time as it becomes unnecessary)

I am truly sorry,

[Ringthane]

Poll created.